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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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By whose measurement? AHA says two tablespoons for women, three for men, is a maximum.

The WHO recommends staying below 50g/day, or, for additional health benefits, below 25g/day, which is ca two tablespoons.

But this is another reason why people don't lose weight / get fit / make progress on so many things. 50g / day is fine according to WHO. If that is correct (for argument's sake), we can't then use their 'better' guideline to mean "no adult should".

The perfect is the enemy of the good. People stop trying when they set unrealistic goals for themselves. We don't all need to be hyperfit. Etc.

I have made a ton of personal progress over the last 1.5-2 years in health and several other areas, by being vigilant in refusing to try to change too fast, even for mundane goals. It is important to find the right pace.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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CICO is one of the few things in nutrition which is 100% fact: if you’re not losing weight after months, you’re eating too much, and if you eat less, you will lose weight.

But CICO alone is terrible nutrition advice, because hunger - true physical hunger - is not something anyone should live with. Those people in the Minnesota Starvation experiment? They were thinking about food 24/7, obsessing about it, it became nearly the only thing they cared about. One of them reported when watching a movie, he would pay most attention to the few scenes with the characters eating, not the action or romance or the actual plot. Furthermore, your body really does have sort of “starvation mode”: it won’t lower your RMR to 0, but it will cause brain fog, tiredness, loss of sex drive, mood dysregulation, and ultimately depression. You stop getting pleasure from anything except food.

Furthermore, you can get “physical hunger” even if you’re gaining weight, if your hormones are messed up. A cited example is hypothyroidism, which has symptoms like brain fog, fatigue, mood disorders synonymous with starvation. And you can avoid “physical hunger” even while losing weight, if your hormones are in check, you’re not in too steep a calorie deficit, and you’re getting enough nutrients (aka eating whole foods). This is why people emphasize eating nutritious foods even when you can reach the same calorie goal with junk foods.

There’s also the willpower component. Nutritious foods can improve your mood and give you more willpower, so it’s easier to eat less. They also tend to make people less (mentally) hungry. Generally when losing weight it’s a good idea to not just focus on nutrient-dense “whole” foods, but also low-volume and satiety-inducing foods. Nuts and whole grains are generally considered healthy but they’re also calorie-dense so it’s easy to pass your daily calorie needs them without getting full: in contrast, lean proteins and non-starchy vegetables are low-calorie and filling, it’s much harder to gain weight on fish and broccoli. Eating in a smaller time window and eating less meals (IF) also makes it easier to not overeat.

But even with IF, volume eating, and sometimes keto, you can still deal with physical hunger if your hormones are just messed up. To see if it’s your hormones first you need to stick to a consistent diet for at least a couple weeks: you will probably feel hungry and tired the first few days of any diet but that’s just your body adapting. After a few weeks if you’re “doing everything right”, including eating truly “healthy” foods (whole foods), eating low-calorie foods, and eating a moderate but not too steep deficit from your estimated TDEE; if you’re doing all that and either you’re not losing weight or your still white-knuckling it and getting symptoms like tiredness and hair loss, you should see a doctor and get your hormones checked.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

Two tablespoons stingy? Holy shit. Even two teaspoons is a lot…

Until you get used to it. When you couple it with other sweet (sugar fortified) items in your diet it just becomes normal.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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My family mostly cooks at home, and we avoid heavily prepared ingredients, e.g., instant meals. I've never computed the calories, but I just looked up a few things. I can't even think of what to put in a pizza, to bring it up to 2370 Calories. I think a benefit of home cooking with mostly basic ingredients is just that we're engaged in the process, making it much harder to "hide" Calories in what we make. Also, we don't expect the food to be as yummy as restaurant food.

I also don't feel bad about the fact that I can't make an "authentic" restaurant pizza.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

The most important thing anyone who wants to manage their weight has to realize is why they eat. You feel hunter but why?

Food is complicated and people eat for many reasons. People can eat because they're bored or they're anxious or even just to feel better, even briefly.

A healthy state to get to (which is easier said than done to be sure) is to treat food as fuel not as medicine or even a reward. You put gas in your car when it needs gas. Food should be the sam, ideally.

For me, I had a lot of success with intermittent fasting. This works for me. It may not work for you. But whether or not it works (and for some people it doesn't) one thing you do learn how much of hunger is just habit. Your'e used to eating a certain amount or at certain times. That feeling of feeling full actually isn't normal or even desirable. You'll be surprised at how little you actually need.

A good place to start is to inccrease protein consumption. A lot of high-calorie diets are surprisingly low in protein but really high in carbs (particularly sugar) and fat. It's actually much more difficult to overeat with high-protein. I've known more than a few people with weight issues who avoid eating protein just because of this.

Even small changes add up. Like people who scoop sugar and heavy cream into coffee and can end up consuming 700 calories per coffee multiple times a day. Drink black coffee. If you don't like that you should consider that you don't actually like coffee. You like coffee flavoured sugar and fat.

And if you don't like black unsweetened coffee, forcing yourself to drink it will actually kill your appetite. That's not such a bad thing.

But you need to figure out your relationship with food.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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For folks who don't want to drink their coffee black, erythritol and monkfruit powder make fine zero calorie substitutes. For a lot of things, actually. Modern zero calorie sweeteners are really impressive. We've come a long way from the days of saccharine.

Black, one sucralose packet per 10 to 20 oz and that's fine for me. I know that's a wide range, but you can't really do "half-packets" easily and the cup sizes I use vary.

My favorite sweetener is a sucralose/stevia mix in highly concentrated liquid form. You can’t find it in the US, I get it from an importer:

https://chinchileproducts.com/products/iansa-cero-k?_pos=2&_...

About 6 drops is a teaspoon, so 125ml lasts forever. It is much more concentrated than other versions in the US.

The pure stevia versions and pure sucralose versions are okay, but for whatever reason the mix is really just perfect.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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It's more like they DO NOT want to believe how small portion sizes are required to consistently lose weight. Even if there was a device that could scan all food before eating it, they would still exempt some meals with the "do not count" argument. Rule of thumb, that if a meal is easy and fast to prepare, then it is probably not suited for a diet. To lose weight you have to do a lot more exercise than you think consi…

> To lose weight you have to do a lot more exercise than you think consistently. And you have to eat a lot less than you think. Exercise doesn't help very much, it's really all about diet. Plus if you are exercising a lot, you'll feel hungier and it'll be harder mentally to not eat more to compensate.

Exercise is tricky. If you do no exercise at all, you get really sluggish and tired all the time as your metabolism slows down, which then requires further caloric restriction. This works (especially, it seems, in a time/place that feels like winter, as the cold and darkness coupled with the lethargy seems like it maybe downregulates hunger), but it's really hard because now you have to barely eat at all.

If you exercise a bunch, you burn energy exercising and you also upregulate your metabolism significantly, giving you a higher calorie budget -- but you also really, really heavily upregulate hunger. If you exercise enough that the calories burn "matter", you're likely to feel the need to eat way way way too much.

Doing "just enough" exercise that you don't become sluggish and lethargic is probably the right place to be purely from a weight-loss perspective.

But in my experience, the hard part about losing weight isn't really anything other than "the amount I have to eat to not feel miserable all the time is too much"

Diets do work, in that if you want few enough calories, you will lose weight. They "don't work" because asking someone to spend months or years continually in escalating misery generally eventually results in noncompliance -- and if your body tells you that it wants 2500 calories per day and you go on an 1500 calorie diet to create a 500-calorie actual deficit to lose about 0.8-1.0lb/week, you're go to feel really really hungry 24 hours a day.

Some folks report that if they force themselves to eat less after a month or two, their sense of hunger downregulates and it gets easier. Other folks report that hunger remains a constant companion, never relenting until they broke.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

Try fasting. I would get hungry 1-2 days in but then it subsides (don't overdo it... I think I did 3-4 days max).

Or try eating more protein. 1kg of chicken breast (1600 kcal). I couldn't (but I'm "normally sized" and my stomach is as well)

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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We have literally evolved to overeat. And one thing people don't consider is that genetics does play a real role. Just because it's easy for you to not overeat as much doesn't mean it's the same for others. I personally believe the solution will ultimately have to come from science/technology. We need a safe and efficient appetite reducer that people can take regularly.

Obesity started to be a thing in the last 100 years. It wasn't evolution.

Obesity as always existed. Exess availability to carbohydrates has been far less common.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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This seems like a good primer on how to look at food differently. The problem with diets is that people relapse due to the fact that dieting is done through force of will and willpower is limited. For long lasting change, you need to reshape your relationship with food and be content with what and how you eat. Understanding some of the things in this article can be a good place to start.

Ego depletion (limited willpower) turns out not to be true [0]. It could not be replicated and is no longer considered how willpower works.

> Results from the current multilab registered replication of the ego-depletion effect provide evidence that, if there is any effect, it is close to zero. [1]

> Taken all together, experiments conducted at 24 different labs showed no signs whatsoever of Baumeister and Tice’s original effect. [2]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_depletion#Reproducibility_...

[1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/17456916166528...

[2] http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/cover_story...

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