You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by Buttons840 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

carlycue wrote: post #61

I've had this unbearable urge to binge eat and it started a week ago. I'm sure it's something psychological that is causing this but I can't isolate the root of the problem. I have tried to fight it by taking walks, being social but it's failure every time. I always cave in and eat all the fast food, ice cream, cookies I can get my hands on but literally nothing seems to get rid of the urge to binge. How can a person…

Last time I had a feeling like this I was sick with the beginnings of Covid. If it's an unusual urge, you might want to follow it.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by formerly_proven » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

retrac wrote: post #60

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

Drinks other than water, tea (no milk), black coffee (if too strong, make it muricanize it) were a mistake, change my mind.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #76

scarface74 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just do the math and see how much exercise you have to do to make any difference in your weight loss. You definitely can’t “walk” your way to weight loss

Walking 5 miles a day can be done in an hour and a half and can burn ~250-500 calories. That’s half a pound to a pound of fat per week, which is pretty significant.

250 calories is nothing and most people are going to think it gives them the chance to eat that extra bagel that’s going to be more than 250 calories.

Are you really suggesting that people walk and hour and half with the intention of burning 250 calories? There are a lot of reasons to exercise. But weight loss isn’t one.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by dalbasal » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

There are a lot of nuances to both nutritional understanding, and to the meta of nutritional understanding... how people understand it. A lot of methods, food types, rulesets and whatnot are actually very useful. Often, they have benefits in the meta. Fasting-ish methods help people deal with and experience what hungry is, and relate to the biological fact that they'll be just fine skipping a meal, or ten. Food type-ish diets help avoid getting into overeating modes^. Point systems

That said, totally agree. The basics starts with a basic understanding of "how much." Food is quantified calorically. If you don't have knowledge or intuition about how much is how much, you're not aware of your eating habits.

Mates of mine are vegan, and I think they make the mistake in the other direction with their kid. They're hyper focused on "quality calories" but they underestimate calorie quantity. A kid's meal consisting of cucumber, greens, carrot, and bean noodles is 100 calories, and the kid needs 300. They do put a lot of effort into learning about healthy vegan diets, but the basics... quantity estimation isn't there.

^BTW, I think the whole idea behind courses and other "feasting" traditions might be that it allows us to pig out more effectively. I'm all full on soup, but I could go for some of that potato. Then sweets. Mebe some cheese.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

digisign wrote: post #91

retrac wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

Yes, over one tablespoon is more sugar than an adult should have per day. (Not to mention all the added sugar these days.) Maybe an ice cream on the weekend. I usually combine with a Almond/Coconut milk and it is fine without sweetener. May take a bit to get used to if you have habits to break.

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by notatoad » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

carlycue wrote: post #61

I've had this unbearable urge to binge eat and it started a week ago. I'm sure it's something psychological that is causing this but I can't isolate the root of the problem. I have tried to fight it by taking walks, being social but it's failure every time. I always cave in and eat all the fast food, ice cream, cookies I can get my hands on but literally nothing seems to get rid of the urge to binge. How can a person…

sometimes you just want to eat.

one of my favourite weight-loss tips is from youtube cyclist phil gaimon: instead of trying to eat less, set a goal for eating more of something with a very low calorie density. he was eating a whole 1lb pack of spinach every day. that's a lot of spinach, it'll take a lot of snacking to get through to the point where it's actually difficult to eat that much. but it's only 100 calories.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by bojangleslover » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

KennyBlanken wrote: post #84

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

"I'm big boned" - show them an MRI or cat scan of a morbidly obese person and you see a tiny little skeleton surrounded by what looks like a giant, puffed up cartoon balloon body. "I have a low metabolism" - obese people actually have a high 'metabolism', because moving all that extra weight takes a lot of energy "Being overweight is not unhealthy" - weird then that they are having trouble getting pregnant and/or mis…

> cost my insurance company several orders of magnitude more money to keep alive than I do

*Cost you several orders of magnitude more

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by Sharlin » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

retrac wrote: post #60

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

Two tablespoons stingy? Holy shit. Even two teaspoons is a lot…

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by heavyset_go » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

retrac wrote: post #60

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

If anyone remembers the internet personality Ulillillia, he claimed he lost weight by removing the grease from pizza he ate.

Not exactly the diet plan anyone should really choose, but it shows that even changes that feel like they shouldn't matter actually do, even when eating what most would describe as an unhealthy diet. There are a lot of calories in fats and oils, and apparently removing some of them can have significant effects on weight gain or loss.

Also, check out erythritol as a sugar substitute. I use it for everything and actually prefer it to sugar. It has a nice cooling effect in liquids it's dissolved in that you don't get with sugar.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by Blackthorn » Sat, May 14, 2022, 9:02 PM UTC

formerly_proven wrote: post #102

retrac wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

Drinks other than water, tea (no milk), black coffee (if too strong, make it muricanize it) were a mistake, change my mind.

Nothing wrong with diet coke. (Well, I don't like the caffeine so I don't usually drink it, but still.) Gatorade zero after a workout can really hit the spot some days too.