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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by mikevm »

trevorishere wrote: post #47
sharken wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more like they DO NOT want to believe how small portion sizes are required to consistently lose weight. Even if there was a device that could scan all food before eating it, they would still exempt some meals with the "do not count" argument. Rule of thumb, that if a meal is easy and fast to prepare, then it is probably not suited for a diet. To lose weight you have to do a lot more exercise than you think consi…

Went from 230 to ~155 without exercise by calorie restriction alone (600-1200cal/day). It IS possible, though likely unhealthy to accomplish without exercise (I never, ask they say, consulted a doctor prior to the self-imposed restriction). Exercise was uncomfortable until I had lost weight, now I can do 15+ mile hikes with a 60l backpack. I don't want to discourage anyone from doing exercise at any time in their goa…

> Exercise was uncomfortable until I had lost weight, now I can do 15+ mile hikes with a 60l backpack.

A simple walk on an incline (5km/hr @ 5% incline) can help you burn 400+kcals/hour. You can probably eat at 1500 kcals and start your day with a walk like that on the treadmill while watching some TV show :).

> .. but it is possible to lose weight by calorie restriction alone.

Indeed it is! :)

If you're obese or severely overweight, it's best to just do a PSMF to lose weight as quickly as possible. Btw, at 230lbs you can easily do strength training which will help you with body recomp (stimulating muscle growth while burning fat).

A good rule of thumb for a PSMF is 9.7x[protein intake]. For example: given 1.6g/kg*104kg = 166g of protein per day we get: 166g * 9.7 kcal/g = 1610 kcal. So your daily calories are at 1610 kcal max, and you need to eat at least 166g of protein (the rest of the calories can be filled with carbs/fat). I suggest min 50g of fat per day for men.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by throwaway2016a »

retrac wrote: post #60
lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

That's why I always drink my coffee black. The amount of calories in sugar and especially "Coffee Mate" is amazing (in a bad way). A serving size of Coffee Mate is actually 1/5 of what I see most people actually put in their coffee. It only looks "low-ish" calories because the serving size is so small.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by KennyBlanken »

lr4444lr wrote: post #8

Someone finally wrote this article. So refreshing. It's obvious when you live with a fat person why they have trouble losing weight, even when they're on a diet: they're usually not actually following it. Whether they don't understand portion sizes for calorie math, or look at calories at all, or eat things that they say "do not count", there is almost always a failure to understand what and how much they are eating.

"I'm big boned" - show them an MRI or cat scan of a morbidly obese person and you see a tiny little skeleton surrounded by what looks like a giant, puffed up cartoon balloon body.

"I have a low metabolism" - obese people actually have a high 'metabolism', because moving all that extra weight takes a lot of energy

"Being overweight is not unhealthy" - weird then that they are having trouble getting pregnant and/or miscarriage regularly, need a machine to breathe at night lest their brain not receive enough oxygen, their knees and hips and eyes are that of someone several decades older, they're likely dependent upon insulin injections to live, and substantially more likely to develop cancer, etc.

Yes, there are a lot of negative attitudes towards obese patients in the medical community. That is partly because obese people think they know better than medical science, and are more interested in screaming about how they're being discriminated against thanks to the patriarchy and unrealistic beauty standards....than actually doing something about their weight...like accepting a referral to a nutritionist and accepting the advice to engage in more activity and weight-bearing exercise.

When someone needs a machine to breathe, artificial joint replacements, hourly/daily insulin, and Star Trek levels of intervention to reproduce, maybe they just need to shut the fuck up and lose weight.

You know what's really infuriating? Maintaining a healthy weight, getting exercise, making an effort to eat a balanced diet that hits lots of nutrients....and seeing these people cost my insurance company several orders of magnitude more money to keep alive than I do.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by layer8 »

amelius wrote: post #37

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The only way to lose weight (other than amputation and the like) is to take in less calories than you burn. If what you say is correct it just means that in those cases the intermittent fasting causes higher energy expenditure.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by bee_rider »

amelius wrote: post #46
micromacrofoot wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is there data behind this?

Quoted post unavailable.

Can you be a little more specific? Wikipedia seems to mostly say that the science is still a work in progress, and at least I don't see much support for the claim that it reduces weight while allowing for the same calorie consumption.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by seo-speedwagon »

The TLDR really is that counting calories is the only way to truly know. If you have a very regular diet it’s not too hard. For example I eat the same breakfast every day, and a handful of different lunches. So it’s easy to know what my macros are for those meals.

Incidentally at one restaurant I like, I always get the salad, because it’s one of the highest-calorie options they have.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by gonehome »

csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

I’ve never been on a calorie deficit and not been hungry.

Calorie deficits are always a little unpleasant imo. It’s just suffering through that to get to a place where you want to maintain (which is much easier).

I’ve lost 73lbs, 53lbs, 35lbs (different times and gained weight over years in between). Each time the calorie deficit sucked. There is a 3 day hump and two week hump of misery until you get kind of used to it sucking, but I wouldn’t say it’s ever great.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by wccrawford »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #32
tayo42 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its exhausting to do that. Im switching my diet up a little to bit to reduce cholesterol and some liver enzyme thing lately and Im starting to get tired of thinking so much before every meal and shopping trip. wish it was easier to not fall in to unhealthy traps. so many labels, and so much meal planning.

What worked for me was starting simply. I started with one meal that I got really good at making, and then introduced another (and when I make it I make plenty extra to cover later laziness). I know roughly how many calories it is, so I barely have to think about anymore.

>I know roughly how many calories it is, so I barely have to think about anymore.

This is key for me. My wife loves variety and so she struggles with counting calories.

I prefer simple and known-to-be-delicious, and so I know about how much each of my meals is going to affect me. I came to hate calorie counting pretty quickly, and with that I came to hate eating out, because it's the hardest to count. And I'm not yet convinced that I've ever actually counted enough calories for any meal when eating out. There's so much self-deception involved, both my own and the people who are supposedly reporting the calories, both officially and unofficially.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by ahallock »

It really is this simple. I never do explicit diets because changing food AND calories can lead to quick failure. I just continue getting the same food and reduce the amount--small fries instead of large. Next time, half the small fries. Introducing healthier foods and exercise should be done separately IMO
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