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Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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The article starts out with: "The crypto world went into a full meltdown this week" I don't know. Look at a chart of Bitcoins price on a log scale: https://twitter.com/JonathanBeuys/status/1524810429884661761 To me, it does not look any different then it has looked for the last 10 years. Its a slowing exponential growth with a certain volatility. Nothing seems to have changed in the last week.

Ah yes, break out the log scale and the historical price. This is my favorite maneuver, break out the log scale and historical price chart to forget that a 20% dump over a week is just regular volatility for crypto.

Not to forget that but to show that.

On a linear scale it is hard to see.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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> Personally I think crypto is a 50/50 chance of working long term. Exactly as a chance of meeting a dinosaur on your street today? What a coincidence.

I think you missed the primer on statistics

"There's a 50/50 chance of ; either it'll happen or it won't." is an old Friar's Club joke.

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post #247

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I don't have a horse in the race (there are other worse things that use more power that we should be focusing our concentrated effort on in my opinion) as I don't own any crypto but I do think there's some powerful PR being used and I'd like to see from where it originates.

There's things that use much more power than crypto. The regular banking system apparently uses twice as much as bitcoin, but it actually does something. It's actually useful. We can try to trim power from other things for sure, and we should, but you tell me what other system we could focus on that uses so much power for such little value.

Oh. Well the banks are basically the worst so that seems to favour crypto.

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Sounds like a good reason to ban oil and coal eh.

I agree! Let's start with the most useless "use" first, AKA crypto, and then once we have precedent we move into more and more uses.

If we move to renewables, who cares what they do with the energy?

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post #247

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There's things that use much more power than crypto. The regular banking system apparently uses twice as much as bitcoin, but it actually does something. It's actually useful. We can try to trim power from other things for sure, and we should, but you tell me what other system we could focus on that uses so much power for such little value.

Of course, if you don't see the value in cryptocurrency, it will feel as though any electricity it uses is wasteful.

Hence the call to point out things that are either better on the blockchain, or of value and that can be only made on the blockchain.

Then it's a case of discussing wether the power consumption is worth it.

So far in this thread all that anyone's come up with is "because I might want to send money to someone that my government has banned money transfers to".

I have previously asked elsewhere and got a load of answers which fall into the "technically can be made on the blockchain, but can be done far more efficiently and effectively using exisint tech", eg. carbon credit trading, and (rather surprisingly) "publishing a website".

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> I'm rather mistrustful of people that are this forthy about being against a new technology. I don't really give a crap about what people do or don't do with new technology, ultimately what people want to spend their time and money on is up to them. However, "Crypto" is different. If all it was was just the unbelievably irritating crypto bros rug pulling, ponzi scheming, wash trading, ugly NFT shilling and hacking a…

Where are all these crypto bros that everyone seems so upset about?

Also, it seems like sexist language is OK now?

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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post #259

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Crypto proof of work mining is actually one of the most renewable friendly sectors. Its mostly waste hydro, waste gas, etc being sought after. Its not perfect, but that is the trend. You also have to compare it against what its competing against, all those fancy bank buildings with 24.7 lights and ac, the staff to mantain the paper trail (their commutes, etc), the vast security forces and militaries there to secure i…

> the vast security forces and militaries there to secure it (military being the largest polluter) I've seen several comments in this thread comparing BTC's energy consumption to that of the world's militaries; is this a new crypto meme? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we would still need police and the military even if the world only used cryptocurrency. The irreversibility of crypto transactions incr…

We can do a proof of crime and a proof of war blockchain and make law enforcement and conflict into tradable assets.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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post #259

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> the vast security forces and militaries there to secure it (military being the largest polluter) I've seen several comments in this thread comparing BTC's energy consumption to that of the world's militaries; is this a new crypto meme? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we would still need police and the military even if the world only used cryptocurrency. The irreversibility of crypto transactions incr…

We can do a proof of crime and a proof of war blockchain and make law enforcement and conflict into tradable assets.

Wouldn't that incentivize people to create crimes that they could then stop to collect their PoliceCoin? Or to stoke short-lived interstate conflict to mine some more WarCoin?

But that'll just mean more and more opportunity for PoliceCoin and WarCoin, so maybe it's actually sound monetary policy.

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> WEAVER: Yes. So let’s take the cost of a transaction. The cost of a transaction in cryptocurrency systemically is the amount being used to protect it. I could build a system that would have the same throughput as Bitcoin, three to seven transactions per second, but with a centralized trusted entity. In fact, not even a centralized trusted entity. Ten trusted entities, only six of which need to be honest, because I…

Maybe he's a genius and solved distributed Byzantine generals with a single light bulb and majority voting?

It's byzantine consensus. It's slightly wrong since you need 3f+1 for byzantine consensus (so 7/10 not 6/10) but the basic point is valid. There are some crypocurrencies based on a similar model, but they aren't as popular.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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You could substitute “trusted entities” for “banks”. Get ten banks on board, buy them each a raspberry pi, and you are up and running.

Yea .. no. I have a hard time believing that you're actually trying to understand, which kind of trust the people who created Bitcoin meant and why they thought it's important. Just claiming banks are in that sense trustworthy either neglects that banks exist in states and can be influenced or is plain naive. We live in a world where states and central banks are constantly trying to achieve goals by changing money cr…

You mean the type of trust that can be nullified by securing 51% of mining capacity?
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