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Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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Fuel literally burns and it is carried by ship - I believe there is a way to safely ferry them in ships.

To be fair, many (all?) of these ships are burning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_fuel_oil, which is not at all like petrol in that it requires preheating and atomisation to burn.

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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This article is not about if EVs are safe. It's about the fact that putting out a fire when batteries are involved is hard.

Every week there is a fire on a cargo ship. Most are not caused by the cargo. But when the cargo catches fire you want to be able to put it out before the whole ships turns into scrap.

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire crew was rescued. The article is nonsense.

What's your point? Of course the avoidance of a human tragedy is great but the cost of this incident (to the shipping company, automotive manufacturers, insurers, environment) was enormous. It makes perfect sense to try to understand it better.

My point is that the ships telemetry was not an issue. Blaming electric vehicles with no basis, or lack of telemetry with clear evidence to the contrary is…something.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question isn't "can the ship support continuous telemetry" but "does it generate more value than it costs". And I'm not sure it does. Also, since the crew survived, why are they so concerned to get the voice recorder? Is it just because of the recorded alarm information, and if so why keep referring to it as a voice recorder and not a black box.

The recorder contains alarms and other data as well as the conversations on the bridge. As I understand it, they're like an aviation CVR and FDR but combined. Just like with aircraft accidents, the conversations can provide as much (or sometimes more) value as the data. It gives you insight into decision making, details that may not be recorded in the data ("I was just in area XYZ and I saw sparks coming out of one o…

Curious - why is this recorder not a floating device (which broadcasts its position) so that it could be retrieved easily? It's not like it needs to record the ship's descent to the bottom. Or is the primary function of this device unrelated to sinking?

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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So, don’t ship cars then. Tweak cities for micro mobility and walking.

Also: a couple of burned and sunk ships is a much cheaper price to pay than climate change. If the cost of the odd lithium fire is a lot, wait till you factor in the costs of the emissions of an ICE over the vehicle lifetime.

This reeks of FUD during the death throes of the petrochemical industry, tbh.

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

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Can they ship them without batteries?

Sure, but then you'll have to ship the batteries separately and those battery ships will have the same concerns but multiplied due to higher density.

thats where specialization comes in. its why oil/lng tankers don’t catch fire all the time

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

#29

Fuel literally burns and it is carried by ship - I believe there is a way to safely ferry them in ships.

Fuel is also carried by special ships with extra precautions, but electric cars are carried just like normal cars without any extra safety.

So you learn no? I'm sure the way fuel was carried during World War 1 is not the way the US Military carries it now.

Special ships? That probably depends on the economics. If the Electric Car Industry makes it worth a shippers while - Someone will invest in a special purpose vehicle.

So now we are at the first stages of this - in time - if the industry succeeds - the money will come.

Re: Is It Safe to Ship Thousands of Electric Cars on Big Ships?

#30

Fuel literally burns and it is carried by ship - I believe there is a way to safely ferry them in ships.

To be fair, many (all?) of these ships are burning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_fuel_oil , which is not at all like petrol in that it requires preheating and atomisation to burn.

Thanks for this. It is some really nasty stuff.
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