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Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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What is your definition of earnings? Because Toyota's net income far exceeds Tesla's

Earnings are profit (i.e. revenue less costs). https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/earnings.asp

Yes, correct. Aka net income. I was asking because the original commenter was claiming Tesla earnings were higher than Toyota which is far from true.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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Tesla made more money last quarter than Ford, GM and Toyota. Toyota made 10x the number of cars as Tesla. Tesla is growing vehicle production 50% YoY, while growing profit even faster (having barely hit economies of scale yet). Tesla has a backlog of orders approaching a year in many regions. Everyone else is losing money on their EVs and can't make them in volume production, can't find the batteries for them, becaus…

> Tesla made more money last quarter than Ford, GM and Toyota. Net income was higher for Toyota - almost double that of Tesla.

Yes, my bad, it was operating income that was higher for Tesla.

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RIF is an industry standard term with a long history. The problem isn’t others speaking unclearly. It’s assuming others are in the wrong rather than being happy to learn something new.

This issue is that the audience of HN isn't limited to industry veterans.

The industry I'm referring to is the HR industry, and this term is used all over the place when discussing employment and recessions.

No harm or shame in not knowing it--lucky 10,000 and all that--but taking a chance to learn over blaming others would be my choice.

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> It bears repeating that there is no "what the house is worth" in the abstract. No, but there is a 'what was selling price for similar homes in this area' price in nearly every specific. Listing prices are intentially set to be much lower than selling prices. Selling prices are the real prices, listing prices are fiction. People paying 20% over listing usually means that listing was 20% under selling. Boring! And no…

> Listing prices are intentially set to be much lower than selling prices. Selling prices are the real prices, listing prices are fiction I feel like this is only true in irrational housing markets, or at least those that have a chronic undersupply of housing . In my local non-insane market I went through two different purchases where I successfully bid less than asking. That's gone since the pandemic though since ev…

It is basically true for sellers markets, because it gives more advantage to the seller. being a sellers market doesn't make it an irrational housing market.

During a buyers market, prices usually approach the list or go under.

This reflects the fact there is how much the house is worth to the seller, and how much it is worth to the buyer, and neither of these are the sale price.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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This has been a long time coming. Back in the day, there was an inherent understanding that a stock price is supposed to reflect "the fundamentals" - present value of the company + future earnings. And of course there was some amount of speculation around future earnings, but for the most part companies at least tried to be profitable. But if you look at the share price of like, Tesla - it's completely insane. There…

Over a long enough time frame the stock market and even the whole economy behaves like a pyramid scheme as it is dependent on new generations to be more people than the previous one.

That isn't true. Otherwise when the wheels come off (recession/depression) then the market would never recover as it's "just a Ponzi scheme". there is real value in the market and until some communist or anarchist can provide a reasonable solution that doesn't depend on the general human being altruistic 100% of the time I'll just keep going with the market and count on avarice. I'll trust in the general sense of fairness that most humans seem to have even if they aren't altruistic.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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Thanks, I wish people could speak clearly.

RIF is an industry standard term with a long history. The problem isn’t others speaking unclearly. It’s assuming others are in the wrong rather than being happy to learn something new.

Using industry jargon is usually not a good idea outside of the industry. Readers are happy to learn, but you have to teach them first. This is why most newspapers at least provide the unabbreviated phrase on first usage, and give the abbreviation in parentheses, i.e. "Reduction in Force (RIF)". It's not safe to just assume everyone already knows everything you know.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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This has been a long time coming. Back in the day, there was an inherent understanding that a stock price is supposed to reflect "the fundamentals" - present value of the company + future earnings. And of course there was some amount of speculation around future earnings, but for the most part companies at least tried to be profitable. But if you look at the share price of like, Tesla - it's completely insane. There…

If average Jane, who is not a raving Tesla fan, wants to spend circa $140K on an EV, and she has to choose between the Mercedes EQS 580 and the Tesla Model X, which one would you say is the no-brainer (better value for money)?

https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/class/eqs/sedan https://www.tesla.com/modelx

That is the future of Tesla. Increasing competition by better products offered by manufacturers with far more experience in manufacturing vehicles, and far superior dealership, service, and parts networks.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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That is "the market" working for you! We could allocate resources to productive assets by fiscal spending, but that is prevented by politics. Only when "the market" gets its cut can any infrastructure be built in the US. That's also true for much of the medical establishment and pension/retirement systems. If the market was efficient, we wouldn't be complaining about it. Unfortunately, a "free market" and an efficien…

What sucks is that fiscal policy, ie government spending, is also often not very efficient. Even when rampant corruption doesn’t destroy efficiency, crushing bureaucracy or just plain incompetence will. (Is the DMV a model of efficiency?) So you need a smart balance. And you need competent, honest people in both business AND government. I don’t think that government necessarily is inefficient. The DMV could be a very…

People keep using the DMV as an example of government inefficiency, but my state has made it run so painlessly I don't think I've spent more than 15 minutes in an office over the last 5 years. I think government can be efficient if you put technocrats in charge of implementation rather than elected officials who are subject to the electoral whims of the uninformed masses.

The problem with the above is it weakens democratic institutions by removing the exercise of power from the people the population select to lead.

Inefficiency to me can not possibly be more clearly demonstrated than by ape pictures losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for their purchasers. But we also have examples like Uber spending cash on hand to drive competitors under without having a plan to maintain their own services without heavy subsidy.

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