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Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

pchangr wrote: post #105
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're correct 240 if you say well the American economy is 10 times the size of the German (it's a little over 12 I think) but I wonder if we might see that the rate of German unicorns is growing at about the level it should be in recent years, that is to say the disparity in number of Unicorns is more Germany starting late than anything else. Aside from that of course the EU has made it relatively clear it does not…

US GDP is between 6 and 8 times Germany .. so should be like around 80-60 unicorns But then .. you have Israel who has a 10 times smaller economy per GDP size and still managed 17 unicorns ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yours is probably more accurate than mine, I saw a 2019 estimate said 2 point something trillion and then U.S 24 point something trillion, but I didn't look really close.

hmm, yeah maybe it doesn't matter so much the GDP size - does Israel have a lot of legalese bullshit?

on edit: changed petty regulations to legalese bullshit. Couldn't remember the exact phrase this far down.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by PufPufPuf »

4lejandrito wrote: post #94

It made me really sad not to see the developers' avatars on the "About us" section. It seems they are not part of the team, but they're the ones answering questions here. Other than that, great product!

"Digital nomad", "sidehustler" or "freelancer" aren't actual jobs. What do these people even do? The actual developers are listed in the footer.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

once_inc wrote: post #52
Hackbraten wrote: post #36

As a creator of digital products: great site, congrats! As a consumer: PayPal only? I’m outta here. I don’t like my money randomly frozen on a whim. Are you folks planning to offer Giropay for the consumer side? That’s pretty much the only payment service I can use nowadays.

Or CreditCard, or iDeal, or AliPay, or crypto, or... or... or... Of the vast amount of payment options available online, only a handful is used by people in a geographic area. Dutch people have a very strong preference for iDeal, for example, and rarely purchase things with credit cards, while Chinese customers heavily lean on AliPay.

That's why you use a payment processor like Adyen or Mollie, who handles all these geographic differences for you.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by ricardobayes »

bityard wrote: post #103
101008 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am working on a SaaS product with a friend that will be mostly a B2B (although it can work as B2C too) and besides all the tech, what I am afraid mostly is all the tax/money/stuff. I am not from Europe neither USA - I'd like only to get paid monthly for the service I provide. Is it difficult? If anyone can give some advice I'd be grateful.

> what I am afraid mostly is all the tax/money/stuff You shouldn't be afraid, you should pay a professional CPA and/or tax accountant to take care of all of that stuff for you. You wouldn't draft your own legal documents (I hope), correct? It's no different on the money side of things.

At that point it almost doesn't matter if they draft them themselves as they won't have the energy/money to chase some vendor/partner etc legally as a day 0 startup.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by thelittleone »

101008 wrote: post #96
mstolpm wrote: post #42

Congrats on your launch! But honestly, your site gives me some huge red flags regarding your service: You don't have a legally valid "Impressum" on fruits.de: It points to fanbase.com and that one isn't even mentioning fruits.de. So, as a German startup, it seems you're at least bending German and EU law by not providing the information necessary for proving services on the domain fruits.de. And as a result, as a pot…

I am working on a SaaS product with a friend that will be mostly a B2B (although it can work as B2C too) and besides all the tech, what I am afraid mostly is all the tax/money/stuff. I am not from Europe neither USA - I'd like only to get paid monthly for the service I provide. Is it difficult? If anyone can give some advice I'd be grateful.

You could look into a UAE freezone.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by ricardobayes »

brtkdotse wrote: post #70
emteycz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread (and it being upvoted to the top) is a prime example of why there isn't any Big Tech in EU - because we slam down even fun little startups with this legalese bullshit as soon as they appear.

"legalese bullshit" - you sell a product, you need to handle VAT. Every single business in the EU abides by this, why should a business be exempt just because they're on the internet?

US businesses - afaik - are not required to collect sales tax out of state below a threshold of 100k per year per state. So yeah, the parent comment is valid. A bit of pro-new-business flexibility wouldn't hurt in Europe.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by ricardobayes »

mlatu wrote: post #68
emteycz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread (and it being upvoted to the top) is a prime example of why there isn't any Big Tech in EU - because we slam down even fun little startups with this legalese bullshit as soon as they appear.

all i can hear is "if only the whole world was as unregulated as the US"-mimimi

EU is so backwards with bureaucracy it is actually easier to set up a US entity for a new startup and hire EU devs in it than set up in an EU country and navigate the tax laws of 28 countries.

Re: Show HN: Fruits – Sell digital products via your website, newsletter, etc

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Post by emteycz »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #74
emteycz wrote: post #66

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Yeah lol, 24? With the size of German economy it should be 240 or 2400, definitely not 24. (if it was irony then I'm sorry I didn't recognize it)

you're correct 240 if you say well the American economy is 10 times the size of the German (it's a little over 12 I think) but I wonder if we might see that the rate of German unicorns is growing at about the level it should be in recent years, that is to say the disparity in number of Unicorns is more Germany starting late than anything else. Aside from that of course the EU has made it relatively clear it does not…

It's very funny to speak about privacy while the EU is pushing literal Chat Control at the same time.

I'd much rather have Big Tech and the money it brings home - nobody is forced to use their free services, I'm simply avoiding them - than have Chat Control forced down my throat unless I move to the Land of Free PII Violations.

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