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I owned and sold an OP-1. It is a beautiful piece of hardware and its analog controls and mashable buttons provide a more tactile experience than an iPad does. That said, the sounds it ships with really leave something to be desired. My subjective opinion is that anyone who's played with a best in class software synth (i.e., equator2) is going to find themselves feeling pretty limited by the blippy tones that you get…

Knocking VGM, yet most innovation is happening there. Lol.

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#232

I owned and sold an OP-1. It is a beautiful piece of hardware and its analog controls and mashable buttons provide a more tactile experience than an iPad does. That said, the sounds it ships with really leave something to be desired. My subjective opinion is that anyone who's played with a best in class software synth (i.e., equator2) is going to find themselves feeling pretty limited by the blippy tones that you get…

As someone who produces electronic music I kind of dig the limitations of the op-1. At a 2k price point though with those limitations in mind I can't justify the price. Even at ~1300 or whatever the old model is going for I can't justify the price. For cheaper you can get both a digitakt and a digitone, which I own the latter, and they sound 1000 times better than the op-1 although each respectively do quite a lot le…

£2000 isn't much to spend in total. That's one semi-decent synth that'll be on a par with a decent VST.

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> see TE become this lifestyle company TE always was a lifestyle company. All their products, including their gaming device, are about looking cool. Which is why device thinness is extremely important and the first thing they talk about. Just like Apple. You don't buy a TE device to actually make music, you buy it to impress people about how creative you are, how you are not a pleb consumerist.

I feel like looking cool is definitely a factor, but the OP-1 is also about being portable and fitting into your lifestyle. Photographers will tell you that "the best camera is the one you have with you", and the OP-1 is like the phone camera of music. It's like a step up from singing into a voice memo. You can use it to capture ideas reasonably accurately whenever you feel inspired, and refine them later at an actua…

Cubasis on a phone or tablet is way more capable than this drek.

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I was so excited to see the announcement! Finally some new OP-1 stock will drive the prices back down to the original ~$700 mark. Nope! On what planet is this actually worth $2000? I'm really disappointed to see TE become this lifestyle company and continue jacking up their prices.

An iPad Mini + a Bluetooth midi keyboard will do anything this can do better and easier. You pay for the brand and to say on Twitter that you use hardware

"Hardware". It's DSP. It doesn't even have an analog filter, right?

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I was so excited to see the announcement! Finally some new OP-1 stock will drive the prices back down to the original ~$700 mark. Nope! On what planet is this actually worth $2000? I'm really disappointed to see TE become this lifestyle company and continue jacking up their prices.

The hi-fi audiophile world is certainly an expensive one.

Music production isn't "hi-fi audiophile", and the OP-1 isn't hi-fi, nor audiophile, if anything, it is lo-fi.

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I know a number of electronic musicians, and none of them has an OP-1, or anything from TE. The only person I know with an OP-1 is a designer at a startup I worked for, and he "didn't get around using it much yet ". So yeah, the $2000 price point will work great for them, given their customer demographics :)

I know a few professional musicians who have them and you can look up a host of famous musicians who are known to use them: Diplo, Bon Iver, Deadmau5, Yasutaka Nakata, even Ariana Grande has one. It seems to occupy a similar space to the Elektron products —- high end with a steep learning curve

There isn't much of a learning curve. Modern Elektron products also don't have much of a learning curve versus their pre-Digi lineup.

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This is an absolutely magical device that nevertheless makes me sad. When I was a kid I thought I'd be riding around in flying cars by now. The problem ended up surprising me: It's not that flying cars don't exist--they do. The problem is they cost a million dollars because every one is built by hand. So there's no way I'll ever own one. I'd also like to have a portable synth with great sound, long battery life, a mu…

A laptop satisfies most needs. If you can't make a modern VST sound good, the problem isn't the tools.

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I remember buying the first OP-1 when it came out for something around $700 and even then thought "wow, this is a stretch". Since then they _raised_ the price of the original north of $1k. Don't get me wrong, TE makes incredible stuff and the OP-1 is no exception, but the price point just doesn't make sense unless you have serious money to burn. I had the same reaction to you after seeing the price for the mk2. At le…

> but the price point just doesn't make sense unless you have serious money to burn. Meanwhile, the OP-1 was used on like 40% of all modern pop music production process. I think the market is massively successful artists and they know they will pay.

What a crock.

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If any business on this site has taken to heart the advice to charge more, it's Teenage Engineering. Doesn't really seem to be hurting them, now, does it?

If you can't be the cheapest be the most expensive

They aren't the most expensive though. Value-wise, perhaps.

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For the same money it would be possible to buy the full version of a DAW of your choice, Kontakt, Arturia V-Collection and a PC to run them all on. I'm sure the OP-1 is fun, but I doubt it's £2,000 worth of fun.

And the debate of hardware vs software continues! It's true that if you just compare the costs, it might be cheaper to go the software route. But I mainly make music to go away from the computer, as I spend a lot of my days programming on one already. And the ability of pulling me away from the computer you can't put a price on :) Plus, fiddling with real knobs that affect the sound in real-time, having a keyboard wi…

Calling an OP-1 "hardware" is a real stretch considering it is digital and doesn't even have velocity sensitive keys.
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