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Re: Amazon abruptly fires senior managers tied to unionized warehouse

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Post by darkerside » Mon, May 09, 2022, 2:30 AM UTC

avgcorrection wrote: post #220

darkerside wrote: post #188

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At some point in your life, you'll find that something you always thought was true and couldn't understand how anybody could see was false actually could be understood to be false by a totally reasonable person. At that time, I think you'll understand what I mean. Unions are created because of unacceptable conditions. Fix those conditions in time, and no unions. No fear required.

At some point in my life I’m going to realize that the documented violent history of labor-capital was all just a fabrication and it just so happens that the standard American anti-union talking points—America might have the most violent labor-capital history of any Western nation, by the way—were reasonable and based in reality? No, I don’t think so. Besides, your comment is just a generic relativistic refrain and d…

I'm not saying they all are. I'm saying mine is, and you don't understand it.

Unions were certainly critical at some point. I've read The Jungle, I get anarchy, etc. We live in a very different world now. I'm not saying unions were never valid, I'm saying that it's possible to make them unnecessary.

Re: Amazon abruptly fires senior managers tied to unionized warehouse

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Post by Twirrim » Mon, May 09, 2022, 6:23 AM UTC

mrastro wrote: post #217

Twirrim wrote: post #216

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Most of Amazon's employee base are in the warehouses, and there's a significant amount of churn there, especially seasonal. Being median at 11 months is really not that weird considering the sheer nature of warehouse employment there, and considering it's highly likely you were there through at least one Q4.

He mentioned he was a SWE though.

The tool in Amazon that shows how your tenure ranks is measured against _all_ Amazon employees. Warehouse, delivery, etc.

I was well past the 60% mark by the time I got through my first Q4 working for Amazon as an SE, and in to something like 90% by the time I got through my second. The figures the L7 engineers were bouncing around at that time were that developers averaged around 2 years.

Re: Amazon abruptly fires senior managers tied to unionized warehouse

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Post by rolandog » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:28 AM UTC

nobodyandproud wrote: post #230

dragonwriter wrote: post #66

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Senior managers (heck, even line managers) do not have the right to unionize.

The rules of unionization need to change with the times. The line manager making less than a SWE 1 isn’t in the same league as senior management who own a significant portion of the company equity. Even software engineers are subjected to the meat grinder in Amazon.

Indeed. I feel the benefit of unionizing for managers is making the buck stop earlier in the trickle-down chain of bad policies or orders.

Re: Amazon abruptly fires senior managers tied to unionized warehouse

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Post by oblio » Fri, May 13, 2022, 12:30 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #160

SrslyJosh wrote: post #130

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LOL, LMAO

I see you think this is a win-lose system. Free markets, however, are a win-win system. Both parties must win for the transaction to happen. The employer-employee relationship is just another transaction, and should be win-win. If a manager sees it as win-lose, he should be fired. The same goes for an employee. I've been an employer and an employee, and always recognized that it should be a win-win relationship and a…

This is a very naive approach. Some market corrections happen very late (decades later) and some never happen.