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Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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His argument about digital watches did not age well. My kids have known how to understand a digital clock since they were toddlers, but even now, in elementary school, they require entire lesson units in school on telling time from a clock face. Beyond that, he argues that pie charts tell us more about the relationship between things than tables of numbers, and a clock face is "the world's most perfect pie chart." Bu…

Sure it does - for example the portion of the hour in front of the minute hand's sweep is "in the future" whereas the portion of the hour behind the minute hand's sweep is "in the past" and the portion of the hour under the minute hand is "now". Three categories, and the distribution of the current hour's minutes between them

It's really two overlapping pie charts, each hand forming a side of a slice with an imaginary line from the center to the top forming the other side. We read them together, but to work as pie charts they have to be read separately.

You can't get much useful information from the hands' relationship to each other without knowing their relationship to the imaginary up line. If I say, "The hour and minute hands are 30° apart", what does that tell you about the distribution of time into past and future?

The hour hand shows distribution of hours between most recent 12 and next 12 into past and future. The minute hand is an entirely separate chart showing the distribution of minutes in the current hour into past and future.

Trying to read a clock from the frame of a pie chart is kind of confusing though, given this overlap. I don't think I would call it a good pie chart, much less the most perfect one.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever seen the 24h analog clock? :) https://m8y.org/images/24.svg

Related, I made a little toy[0] that lets you explore what analog clocks would like with an arbitrary number of hours in the day (since 12/24 is of course arbitrary too). [0]: https://nadavrecca.com/eleventhour

12 may be an arbitrary number but with all it's numeric factors it sure is a convenient one!

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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A lot of "Americanization" sucks. But I want to point out some counter-examples. 1. Digimon Season 1 English Dub is far superior to the Japanese original. Many people choose Cowboy Bebop as the "Better in English" anime, but... Digimon S1 is night-and-day. Stronger script with better jokes/puns, cooler attack names (English "Pepper Breath" vs the Japanese "Baby Flame"), everything is straight up better in English. 2.…

I’ve read that for Samurai Pizza Cats, they didn’t have the original scripts, and so made up the dialogue based on the animation. If that’s true, it was brilliant!

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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There's a deeply frustrating infantilisation when something is localized in the same language. My kids and I love Bluey, an Australian show, but apparently the producers had to refuse to have it redone with US and UK accents to stop it happening. Never understood what the problem with having David Attenborough instead of Sigourney Weaver narrate Planet Earth was either.

Discovered Bluey and use it as a treat/distraction when needed with my 10-month-old. I legitimately enjoy watching it and love the subtle jokes made for parents. A big part of the charm is the Australianisms. We don't need more Americanized stuff. If anything it should be the reverse: USA needs more international content, accents, etc.

As an Aussie I think of Bluey as one our proudest exports.

But some episodes I wonder if overseas audiences get the same tensions. IE Curry Quest, walk for a curry swap but have to deal with a magpie.

Do people really understand how "out to get you" magpies can be in Spring? As a kid, they can be vicious bastards.. when I realised they were dealing with one I was anxious over how it was going to go.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Marks and Spencer’s is such a dumb name for a supermarket though. The Uk is full of dumb nonsensical names. Curries is an electric store. Oh yes, perfect sense.

You're not alone.

In Australia we have Bunnings:a pallet-shelving style hardware(paints/tools/wood/whatever else) store.

WTF is a bunning anyway?

With no proper definition the Urban Dictionary definition(NSFW) makes shopping much more amusing...

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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A lot of "Americanization" sucks. But I want to point out some counter-examples. 1. Digimon Season 1 English Dub is far superior to the Japanese original. Many people choose Cowboy Bebop as the "Better in English" anime, but... Digimon S1 is night-and-day. Stronger script with better jokes/puns, cooler attack names (English "Pepper Breath" vs the Japanese "Baby Flame"), everything is straight up better in English. 2.…

That's not americanisation, that's translation.

The Yellow Ranger was a man in the original Japanese, but a woman in the American version.

Power Rangers is probably the weirdest East/West thing to ever happen, yet still work out. The amount of "translation" that occurred is nearly nil, it was pretty much a wholesale reinvention of the entire plot.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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post #7

His argument about digital watches did not age well. My kids have known how to understand a digital clock since they were toddlers, but even now, in elementary school, they require entire lesson units in school on telling time from a clock face. Beyond that, he argues that pie charts tell us more about the relationship between things than tables of numbers, and a clock face is "the world's most perfect pie chart." Bu…

Numbers on a digital face can be read by anyone who knows numbers.

Just yesterday my toddler told me it was 6 oclock because the big hand was pointing at the six.

Trying to explain to a three year old that the small hand was for the hour, and the big hand pointed at a number which you multiply by 5 to get the minutes was beyond him.

But the digital clock, he gets.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you're right that analog watches are better tools that's not what Adams was saying. "We all know, really, that [analog clock face] is a lot more instantly meaningful to us than 15:39" which is just wrong. Plenty of people, myself included, get more instant meaning from a digital readout.

Having witnessed kids learning time: they will happily give "15:39" as an answer. But if you ask them when it'll be 4 o'clock, they literally have no idea - not even of yhe direction (forward or back). I think this is Adams' point: digital watches pretend to give you information but only give you data. That's a reason to consider them silly: they make you work (translating their data to something with meaning) while…

That's not a fair comparison because you're comparing 24 hour time with 12 hour time.

Granted, a digital clock won't tell you there are 60 minutes in an hour, but teaching analog time involves much more than that. For starters, you have to explain that for minutes, the numbers are in increments of 5.

Re: Please don’t let anyone Americanise it (1992)

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From my experience in the media industry some producers/higher ups like making arbitrary changes to a work/show/whatever just so they can say they had an impact, or to say that they made that change at the end, most of the time it ends up making the final product worst.

Happens in music. Producer will make arbitrary change and now they are a co-writer and qualify for royalties.

The Black Keys talked about this on Joe Rogan's podcast. Pat Carney, the drummer, calls it "the guy with a degree from Pepperdine who wants to tweak the high hat."
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