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Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by gitgud » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:40 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #509

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Reddit always has had community moderators which ensured that the subreddits were respecting the rules of their communities. For example, on LGBTQ issues subreddits telling people that they are groomers is not tolerated. If it was, people would quickly go away. While on some other subreddit, it might be tolerated but the targeted people are not present and will not see those messages. It is similar on Facebook where…

>I use hate-speech as an example because the "groomer" as a slur issue is at a peak right now and is fresh in my head. Mm. I think the problem is that censorship advocates like you try to add words like this into the lexicon of "hate speech" and try to have it censored. It's not, and it shouldn't be, and you should be ashamed of even thinking it. It is not other people's responsibility to stay up to date on what may…

> It is not other people's responsibility to stay up to date on what may or may not be triggering you on any particular day.

The internet moves fast now, if there's a growing trend of a slang-word to get around hate speech laws without actually breaking any, and everyone reacting to it understands it... then it's hate-speech right?

"groomer" is only used in the context of hatred towards a particular group without technically violating any hate-laws. It's quickly becoming a way to say "fagg*t" without saying it...

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by MrStonedOne » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:41 AM UTC

johnboiles wrote: post #217

This is mind boggling to me. Kayvon is one of the best product leaders / visionaries I know. It was confusing to me in Dec that he wasn't Jack's successor. Kayvon was a huge driving force behind all the interesting product efforts of the last few years: Spaces, Fleets, topics, etc. Twitter went from not iterating on product (remember when Twitter's only change in several years was to change the star to a heart?) to s…

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Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by dillondoyle » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:47 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #509

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #477

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Reddit always has had community moderators which ensured that the subreddits were respecting the rules of their communities. For example, on LGBTQ issues subreddits telling people that they are groomers is not tolerated. If it was, people would quickly go away. While on some other subreddit, it might be tolerated but the targeted people are not present and will not see those messages. It is similar on Facebook where…

>I use hate-speech as an example because the "groomer" as a slur issue is at a peak right now and is fresh in my head. Mm. I think the problem is that censorship advocates like you try to add words like this into the lexicon of "hate speech" and try to have it censored. It's not, and it shouldn't be, and you should be ashamed of even thinking it. It is not other people's responsibility to stay up to date on what may…

It is 100% hate speech to call all LGBTQ people groomers, to imply ones sexuality is because they were groomed.

It's hateful and a disingenuous political argument to use that cast that term on anyone who objects to DeSantis' banning of discussions of LGBTQ topics. Which is why we are discussing this.

Not knowing that is triggering is gross.

If you have certain distasteful beliefs, at least have the respect not to say it in public.

It's the same as racial epithets.

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by slibhb » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:50 AM UTC

saxonww wrote: post #738

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Is the first amendment a good thing? If so, why? Does the reason you come up with magically not apply to twitter? Of course it applies. Twitter is not legally obligated to allow free speech but there are other reasons to do something than legal obligation.

In short: yes, it's a good thing. As written, the amendment is designed to prevent me from being arrested or killed by the Federal Government for speaking my mind, disseminating my thoughts on paper, or congregating with like-minded people. I don't agree that this should be expected or required of businesses, because the dangers and incentives are different. Twitter is not going to have you arrested or killed for cri…

> In short: yes, it's a good thing. As written, the amendment is designed to prevent me from being arrested or killed by the Federal Government for speaking my mind, disseminating my thoughts on paper, or congregating with like-minded people.

You didn't say why. You restated the law. There are all kinds of arguments for free speech. I'll quote Mill:

> First, if any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own infallibility. Secondly, though the silenced opinion be an error, it may, and very commonly does, contain a portion of truth; and since the general or prevailing opinion on any subject is rarely or never the whole truth, it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied. Thirdly, even if the received opinion be not only true, but the whole truth; unless it is suffered to be, and actually is, vigorously and earnestly contested, it will, by most of those who receive it, be held in the manner of a prejudice, with little comprehension or feeling of its rational grounds. And not only this, but, fourthly, the meaning of the doctrine itself will be in danger of being lost, or enfeebled, and deprived of its vital effect on the character and conduct: the dogma becoming a mere formal profession, inefficacious for good, but cumbering the ground, and preventing the growth of any real and heartfelt conviction, from reason or personal experience.

That has nothing to do with required and there's no mention of a government, federal or not. People should be allowed to say what they think. That used to be a bedrock of American culture and I continue to find it sad that we're living through its recession.

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by dillondoyle » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM UTC

chrsw wrote: post #543

the_doctah wrote: post #509

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>I use hate-speech as an example because the "groomer" as a slur issue is at a peak right now and is fresh in my head. Mm. I think the problem is that censorship advocates like you try to add words like this into the lexicon of "hate speech" and try to have it censored. It's not, and it shouldn't be, and you should be ashamed of even thinking it. It is not other people's responsibility to stay up to date on what may…

Well, it depends. I've never heard this term "groomer" before. I don't even understand the term but it sounds like there's a community or subculture out there that takes it very seriously. So, if I were in public spaces where people from that community where known to communicate with one another I would absolutely want to know if something I said was offensive or hateful. I would expect to have the issue brought to m…

We are talking about it because Republicans are using it as a slur in political arguments. There is strong pushback against DeSantis' Don't Say Gay Bil, there has been a mass banning of LGBTQ books in schools, and plenty of other attacks/laws on the community (mostly in just a couple states whose Govs are running for Pres...)

The response of the proponents, which sadly seems politically effective, is to label anyone who objects to these laws groomers.

Implying/whistling that queer people exist because they were groomed, e.g. sexual predator turned them gay.

It is aimed at queer people.

* And ironically those of us who are standing up against, you guessed it.... free speech. *

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by dillondoyle » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:53 AM UTC

the_doctah wrote: post #689

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The term originally referred to an adult gradually influencing a child to make them vulnerable to sexual abuse. Now it's commonly used to refer to teaching children progressive values, which I think is hateful. It's also generally used in extremely low signal comments. For example, a person might talk on Twitter about how they think teachers putting up posters saying they support gay students is helpful. They'd then…

>The term originally referred to an adult gradually influencing a child to make them vulnerable to sexual abuse. Now it's commonly used to refer to teaching children progressive values, which I think is hateful. The problem is, you seem to be intentionally misconstruing the definition of the word "hateful" in order to categorize words you don't like as "hate speech". There is no other way that the thing you described…

It does in the context we are talking about it.

The only reason it's up for discussion is because it's being used as hate attack against queer communities and those standing up against censoring of teachers, students, and banning of books on lgbtq topics and gender.

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by dillondoyle » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM UTC

jdavis703 wrote: post #402

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Seriously. HN: "Firing a millionaire on paternity leave—and by "firing" I mean continuing to pay for the rest of their leave, plus probably a bunch of severance—is horrible!" 99% of the rest of the US: "WTF is paternity leave? Is that when your boss generously lets you use some of your annual leave for part of the week in which your kid is born?"

Many states in the US have family leave (including paternity leave). California is more than 10% of the US population and the rules for paternity leave are extremely broad: - Welcomed a new child into the family in the past 12 months through birth. - Paid into State Disability Insurance (noted as "CASDI" on most paystubs) in the past 5 to 18 months. - Not taken the maximum eight weeks of PFL in the past 12 months Ins…

It's only through birth? I didn't know that and would have expected CA to do better. E.g. adopting a young child or baby. And does surrogacy count as birth?

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by donthellbanme » Fri, May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM UTC

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CEOs of large companies that are forced out during acquisitions often fail upward. It really depends on how they behave right before the close. Effectively, the CEO has to advocate for the company and get the most out of the acquisition, and if they do, they are often rewarded (with seats on board or choice of next job). realistically, he will be able to retire for life after this if he chooses, and will be able to s…

Job offer or not, $42 million for doing almost nothing is a great deal.

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Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by FridgeSeal » Fri, May 13, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

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Hell, even if you managed a year or two, you’re still walking away with tens of millions that’s pretty close to financial security for the rest of your life.

Tens of millions is only "pretty close to financial security". Wow.

Oh I agree 100%, personally it’s more money than I’d know what to do with, but I’m also aware that there’s a chunk of users here who’s respond with “well after tax this that, etc etc” with some justification as to why it’s not quite enough, so I thought I’d attempt to cover all bases hahaha.

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Post by AYBABTME » Fri, May 13, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

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I think there's a part of the HN population that has delusions of becoming billionaires one day, so they talk about tens of millions like it's not much. They'll likely never have either.

Financial security in the Bay Area requires a house there ($2-3M, nowadays) plus $COST_OF_LIVING/4%. This is easily $5M net worth. It's in "two Googlers and a successful exit at some point earlier" territory. Granted, this threshold is less than $10M, but it isn't orders of magnitude less All of which is to say that it is basically impossible to stay in the Bay long-term unless you make an absolute fuckton of money.…

You don't need $5M to be "safe" in the Bay Area. You do need some money - enough to afford to get a mortgage on a place to stay - but once you get past that, things get easier. The thing is, it takes money to start making money. It takes money to start to be able to afford the things that will make your cost of living go down. It does suck, but it's not $5M.