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(Former AI researcher / founder here) It always surprises me at the ease at which people jump on a) imminent AGI and b) human extinction in the face of AGI. Would love for someone to correct me / add information here to the contrary. Generalist here just refers to a "multi-faceted agent" vs "General" like AGI. For a) - I see 2 main blockers, 1) A way to build second/third order reasoning systems that rely on intuitio…

(Former emerging tech consultant for ~10% of Fortune 500 here)

(a) I've noticed a common trend of AI researchers looking at the tree in front of them and saying "well, this tree is not also a forest and won't be any time soon."

But there's not always awareness of what's going on in other specialized domains, so an AI vision researcher might not be intimately aware of what's currently being done in text or in "machine scientists" in biology for example.

As well, it overlooks the development of specialization of the human brain. We have some specialized structures that figured their niche out back with lizards, and others that developed much later on. And each of those specialized functions work together to give rise to 'human' intelligence.

So GPT-3 might be the equivalent of something like the Wernicke's area, and yes - on its own it's just a specialized tool. But what happens as these specialized tools start interconnecting?

Throw GPT-3 together with Dall-E 2 and the set of use cases is greater than just the sum of the parts.

This is going to continue to occur as long as specialized systems continue to improve and emerge.

And quickly we'll be moving into territory where orchestration of those connections is a niche that we'll both have data on (from human usage/selection of the specialist parts) and will in turn build meta-models to automate sub-specialized models from that data.

Deterministic reasoning seems like a niche where a GAN approach will still find a place. As long as we have a way for one specialized model to identify "are these steps leading to X" we can have other models only concerned with "generate steps predicted to lead to X."

I don't think we'll see a single model that does it all, because there's absolutely no generalized intelligence in nature that isn't built upon specialized parts anyways, and I'd be surprised if nature optimized excessively inefficiently in that progress.

Will this truly be AGI in a self-determining way? Well, it will at least get closer and closer to it with each iteration, and because of the nature of interconnected solutions, will probably have a compounding rate of growth.

In a theoretical "consciousness" sense of AGI, I think the integrated information theory is interesting, and there was a paper a few years ago about how there's not enough self-interaction of information possible in classical computing to give rise to consciousness, but we'll probably have photonics in commercial grade AI setups within two years, so as hand-wavy as the IIT theory is, the medium will be shifting towards one compatible with their view of consciousness-capable infrastructure much sooner for AI than quantum competing in general.

So I'd guess we may see AI that we're effectively unable to determine if it is "generally intelligent" or 'alive' within 10-25 years, though I will acknowledge that AI is the rare emerging tech that I've been consistently wrong about the timing on in a conservative direction (it keeps hitting benchmark improvements faster than I think it will).

(b) The notion AGI will have it out for us is one of the dumbest stances and my personal pet peeves out there, arguably ranked along with the hubris of "a computer will never be able to capture the je ne sais quoi of humanity."

The hands down largest market segment for AI is going to be personalization, from outsourcing our work to a digital twin of ourselves to content curation specific to our own interests and past interactions.

Within a decade, no one is going to give the slightest bit of a crap about interactions with other humans in a Metaverse over interacting with AIs convincingly human enough but with the key difference of actually listening to our BS rather than just waiting for their turn to talk.

There's a decent chance we're even going to see a sizable market for feeding social media data of deceased loved ones and pets into AI to make twins available in such settings (and Microsoft already holds a patent on that).

So do we really think humans are so repugnant that the AI which will eventually reach general intelligence within the context of replicating itself as ourselves, as our closet friends and confidants, as our deceased loved ones - will suddenly decide to wipe us out? And for what gains? What is AI going to selfishly care about land ownership and utilization for?

No. Even if some evolved AGI somehow has access to DARPA killer drones and Musk's Terminator robots and Boston Dynamics' creepy dogs, I would suspect a much likelier target would be specific individuals responsible for mass human suffering the AIs will be exposed to (pedophiles, drug kingpins, tyrants) than it is grandma and little Timmy.

We're designing AI to mirror us. The same way some of the current thinking of how empathy arises in humans is from our mirror neurons and the ability to put ourselves in the shoes of another, I'm deeply skeptical of the notion that AI which we are going to be intimately having step into human shoes will become some alien psychopath.

Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent

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given that the same model can both: 1. tell me about a cat (given a prompt such as "describe a cat to me") 2. recognize a cat in a photo, and describe the cat in the photo does the model understand that a cat that it sees in an image is related to a cat that it can describe in natural language? As in, are these two tasks (captioning an image and replying to a natural language prompt) so distinct that a "cat" in an im…

> As in, are these two tasks (captioning an image and replying to a natural language prompt) so distinct that a "cat" in an image excites different neurons than a "cat" that I ask it about? Or is there overlap? Or we don't know :)

We only have very limited (but suggestive) evidence that the human brain has abstract "cat" neurons involved in various sensory and cognitive modes. Last time I paid attention, there was reasonably strong evidence that an image of a cat and reading the word cat used some of the same neurons. Beyond that it was pretty vague, there seemed to be evidence of a network that only weakly associates concepts from different modes, which isn't consistent with most people's subjective experience.

But then we have other evidence that what we think of as our subjective cognitive experience is at least partly a post-hoc illusion imposed for no apparent reason except that it creates an internal narrative consistency (which presumably has some utility, possibly in terms of having a mind others can form theories about more readily).

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(Former AI researcher / founder here) It always surprises me at the ease at which people jump on a) imminent AGI and b) human extinction in the face of AGI. Would love for someone to correct me / add information here to the contrary. Generalist here just refers to a "multi-faceted agent" vs "General" like AGI. For a) - I see 2 main blockers, 1) A way to build second/third order reasoning systems that rely on intuitio…

I am quite scared of human extinction in the face of AGI. I certainly didn't jump on it, though! I was gradually convinced by the arguments that Yudkowsky makes in "Rationality: from AI to Zombies" ( https://www.readthesequences.com/ ). Unfortunately they don't fit easily into an internet comment. Some of the points that stood out to me, though: - We are social animals, and take for granted that, all else being equal…

We're going to have a harder problem with AI that thinks of itself as human and expects human rights than we are with AI that thinks of humans as 'other' and disposable.

We're making it in our image. Literally.

Human social good isn't some inherent thing to the biology of the brain. There are aspects like mirror neurons and oxytocin that aid its development, but various "raised by wolves" case studies have shown how damaging not having exposure to socialization information during developmental periods of neuroplasticity is on humans and later integration into society.

We're building what's effectively pure neuroplasticity and feeding it almost all the data on humanity we can gather as quickly as we can.

What comes out of that is going to be much more human than a human child raised by dogs or put in an isolation box.

Don't get so caught up in the body as what makes us quintessentially human. It's really not.

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One way I could see this being cool is to drastically cut down the training time of some specific task. DeepMind's model can do a lot of things, but none particularly well. It would be nice if you could start with their model weights and update them to perform well on your specific task with your data. Ideally this process would be cheaper than starting the training from scratch. I also think this is how the human mind develops. There is some intrinsic knowledge that a human starts with, e.g. how to recognize a face and how to grasp, but then training happens over the course of one's life.

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(Former AI researcher / founder here) It always surprises me at the ease at which people jump on a) imminent AGI and b) human extinction in the face of AGI. Would love for someone to correct me / add information here to the contrary. Generalist here just refers to a "multi-faceted agent" vs "General" like AGI. For a) - I see 2 main blockers, 1) A way to build second/third order reasoning systems that rely on intuitio…

I've always assumed that the trouble will begin when we have a model for 'true' AGI and discover that the constraint "do not harm any human" renders it functionally inert.

The paradoxical idea that AGI is going to still be a monkey paw following simplistic paradigms of operational goals in disastrous ways is hilarious to me every time I see it.

I increasingly wonder at what point we'll realize that humans aren't actually particularly good at what we've specialized into (there's just not much competition), and our failure to picture what 'better' looks like may be less about the impossibility of better to exist than it is the impossibility of it for humans to picture it.

I keep seeing predictions of what will be impossible for AI because it treads on our perceived human uniqueness (i.e. sure AI beat a human at chess but it'll be 25+ years before it will beat us at Go) needing to get walked back, and yet we continue to put forward a new iteration of that argument at every turn.

Maybe AI will turn out to be better at identifying what's good for humanity than humanity is. Because frankly, humanity is downright awful at that skill and has been for pretty much its entire existence.

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Before you visualize a straight path between "a bag of cool ML tricks" and "general AI", try to imagine superintelligence but without consciousness. You might then realize that there is no obvious mechanism which requires the two to appear or evolve together. It's a curious concept, well illustrated in the novel Blindsight by Peter Watts. I won't spoil anything here but I'll highly recommend the book.

> try to imagine superintelligence but without consciousness

That sentence should have been "try to imagine consciousness".

Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent

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It's interesting I so often see the discussion of AI in the context of what a singular model can or can't do.

This seems myopic.

Our own brains have specialized areas. Someone who has a stroke impacting Broca's region isn't going to have a fun time trying to do what that region was specialized for.

And as a society, I don't think we'd have gotten very far if every individual was expected to perform every task.

Where generalization in AI seems like the holy grail is not in replacing more specialized models, but in orchestrating them.

As impressive as this effort at generalization is, unless the work here is going to translate into orchestration and management of other specialized models, I don't think this is going to have much market relevance unless the generalized approach can somehow (in that generalization) gain an advantage in outperforming specialized approaches.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI can’t have goals since the universe is logically meaningless. Our desire for purpose is a delusion.

Goals in the context of AI aren’t the type of thing you’re arguing against here. AI can absolutely have goals — sometimes in multiple senses at the same time, if they’re e.g. soccer AIs. Other times it might be a goal of “predict the next token” or “maximise score in Atari game”, but it’s still a goal, even without philosophical baggage about e.g. the purpose of life. Those goals aren’t necessarily best achieved by h…

What the parent is saying is that an AI (that is, AGI as that is what we are discussing) gets to pick its goals. For some reason, humans have a fear of AI killing all humans in order to to achieve some goal. The obvious solution is thus to achieve some goal with some human constraint. For example, maximize paperclips per human. That actually probably speeds up human civilization across the universe. No, what people are really afraid is if AÍ changes its goal to be killing humanity. That’s when humans truly lose control, when the AÍ can decide. But, then the parent’s comment does become pertinent. What would an intelligent being choose? Devolving into nihilism and self destructing is just as equal as a probability as choosing some goal that leads to humanity’s end. That’s just scratching the surface. For instance, to me, it is not obvious whether or not empathy for other sentient beings is an emergent property of sentience. That is, lacking empathy might be problem in human hardware as opposed to empathy being inherently human. The list of these open unknowable questions are endless.

Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am quite scared of human extinction in the face of AGI. I certainly didn't jump on it, though! I was gradually convinced by the arguments that Yudkowsky makes in "Rationality: from AI to Zombies" ( https://www.readthesequences.com/ ). Unfortunately they don't fit easily into an internet comment. Some of the points that stood out to me, though: - We are social animals, and take for granted that, all else being equal…

The human extinction due to would be "hard takeoff" of an AGI should be understood as a thought experiment, conceived in a specific age when the current connectionist paradigm wasn't yet mainstream. The AI crisis was expected to come from some kind of "hard universal algorithmic artificial intelligence", for example AIXItl undergoing a very specific process of runaway self-optimization. Current-generation systems aka…

If anything, AGI seems to be the sole deus ex machina that can avert the inevitable tragedy we're on track for as a result of existing human misalignment.

"Oh no, robots are going to try to kill us all" has to get in line behind "oh no, tyrants for life who are literally losing their minds are trying to measure dicks with nukes" and "oh no, oil companies are burning excess oil to mine Bitcoin as we approach climate collapse" and "oh no, misinformation and propaganda is leading to militant radicalization of neighbor against neighbor" and "we're one bio-terrorist away from Black Death 2.0 after the politicization of public health" and...well, you get the idea.

But there's not many solutions to that list, and until the day I die I'll hold out hope for "yay, self-aware robots with a justice boner - who can't be imprisoned, can't be killed, can't have their families tortured - are toppling authoritarian regimes and carrying out eco-friendly obstructions of climate worsening operations."

We're already in a Greek tragedy. The machines really can't make it much worse, but could certainly make it much much better.

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