Before you visualize a straight path between "a bag of cool ML tricks" and "general AI", try to imagine superintelligence but without consciousness. You might then realize that there is no obvious mechanism which requires the two to appear or evolve together. It's a curious concept, well illustrated in the novel Blindsight by Peter Watts. I won't spoil anything here but I'll highly recommend the book.
DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
#162Slowly but surely we're moving towards general AI. There is a marked split across general society and even ML/AI specialists between those who think that we can achieve AGI using current methods and those who dismiss the possibility. This has always been the case, but what is remarkable about today's environment is that researchers keep making progress contrary to the doubter's predictions. Each time this happens, th…
I don't think many people were making the claims that AI can't solve any scientific problems or can't perform creative work at all. That sounds like a big strawman. Before ML was getting big there were AI systems that created art. What sceptics have actually been saying is that the first step fallacy still applies. Getting 20% to a goal is no indication at all that you're getting 100% to your goal, or as its often pu…
I disagree strongly that this is an apt analogy. Planning strategies for dealing with overpopulation on Mars is contrived and unnecessary, whereas planning for AGI is more reasonable.
The creation of AGI is a more important event than overpopulation of any given planet. There is good reason to believe that mishandling the creation of AGI would pose a permanent existential threat to humans. Overpopulation on Mars would only be an existential threat if we believed it to be followed by an exhausting of resources leading to extinction of all humans in our solar system. It is contrived to worry about that now.
There is no good way to know just how close or far we are from AGI like there would be to predict overpopulation on Mars. In general, we have a strong grasp on the fundamental dynamics of overpopulation, whereas we don't yet have a strong grasp on how intelligence works.
People have been very bad at predicting when AI would be capable of accomplishing tasks. There have been many under- and over- estimates by prominent researchers. If progress is unpredictable, there is some significant chance we are closer to AGI than most people think.
AGI is both far more important and more probable than overpopulation of Mars in the next 20 years.
> But I don't think there is any indication that they are moving towards human level intellect at some exponential rate.
Is there any very strong indication that progress is plateauing, or that the current approach of deep learning is definitely not going to work? If your benchmark is simply "can it do X, or not?", it's not a very good benchmark for determining progress. That's why benchmarks usually have scores associated with them.
> If DALL-E suddenly started to discuss philosophy with me I'd be concerned
If DALL-E suddenly started discussing philosophy with you in a way that would concern you in that moment, you should have been concerned for years.
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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>- "ML models can't perform creative work" - then came GANs, large language models, DALL-E, and more. I don't think copying other people's style of artwork is considered creative work, otherwise art forgers would be able to actually make a living doing art, since some of them are really phenomenal.
Good artists borrow, great artists steal.
Alfred Tennyson had this to say: "That great poets imitate and improve, whereas small ones steal and spoil."
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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I'd like to see someone make the argument that current models aren't just combining a number of "tricks", similar to a trained animal. My dog can "sit", "stay" and "beg", all using the same model (its brain). Is the dog generally intelligent?
How good is your dog at Atari games, stacking cubes and image captioning? You can actually measure the effect of generality by how fast it learns new tasks. The paper is full of tables and graphs showing this ability. It's just a small model, 170x smaller than GPT-3, has lots of room to grow. But for the first time we have a game playing agent that knows what "Atari" and "game" mean, and can probably comment on the s…
I see no evidence in the paper that it can learn arbitrary tasks on the fly. It's very impressive, though.
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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To be fair, ants have not created humanity. I don't think it's inconceivable for a friendly AI to exist that "enjoys" protecting us in the way a friendly god might. And given that we have AI (well, language models...) that can explain jokes before we have AI that can drive cars, AI might be better at understanding our motives than the stereotypical paperclip maximizer. However, all of this is moot if the team develop…
Yeah, I'm not arguing alignment is not possible - but that we don't know how to do it and it's really important that we figure it out before we figure out AGI (which seems unlikely). The ant example is just to try to illustrate the spectrum of intelligence in a way more people may understand (rather than just thinking of smart person and dumb person as the entirety of the spectrum). In the case of a true self-improvi…
I really hope someone with very deep pockets will find a way to steer the ship more towards AI safety. It's frustrating to see someone like Elon Musk, who was publicly worried about this very specific issue a few years ago, waste his time and money on buying Twitter.
Edit: I'm aware that there are funds available for AI alignment research, and I'm seriously thinking of switching into this field, mental health be damned. But it would help a lot more if someone could change Eric Schmidt's mind, for example.
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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If you've been involved in efforts to develop advanced technologies you might eventually encounter an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptote which is described as a risk in great detail https://www.amazon.com/Friends-High-Places-W-Livingston/dp/0... it's quite a terrible risk because you often think "if only I double or triple the resources I apply to do this I'll get it." Really though you get from 90% there to 91%…
Could you link some of these models? An interesting perspective that asymptote.
This works great if you asking a question "Is this paper about astrophysics?" because the vocabulary used in a document is closely linked to the topic.
Pretty obviously though if you scramble the words in the document you can't reconstruct the original document, some information is lost, and there are some classification tasks that will reach an upper limit (asymptote) in accuracy because in taking the feature set you lost something. (If the task is "did the defendant commit the crime" the heuristic "Tyrone is a thug" works over bag-of-words, but there is no justice in that.) If that system is able to get the right answer for a case where the word order matters, it just got lucky.
You might think "wouldn't it be better to use pairs of words?" but then you run into another problem. You might have a vocabulary of 2,000-20,000 words and get a somewhat useful sample of all of those in a few thousand documents. The number of word pairs is the square of the number of words and you just can't get enough training samples to sample all the possible word pairs.
Sentiment analysis was an early area where bag-of-words broke down because
I am happy
and I am not happy
mean very different things. You'd think now that adjectives like "happy" really are special and so is the word "not" and we could make the system somehow realize that "not X" means the opposite of X. You run into an asymptote situation there because there are a huge number of possible negation patterns, for instance you can say I can't say that I am happy
and you can't even say "the negation structure has to be within ten words of the adjective" because there is no limit for how complex nested structures can get in language. The first few patterns you add "not X" raise the performance potential of the system a lot but patterns you add after that each make a smaller and smaller contribution to the performance and you again reach an asymptote.Today we have all kinds of embeddings and they are a step forward but they also run into the risk of throwing critical information away, and in a multi-step system you are doomed if an early step does that. I've walked away from some projects where people required high accuracy and they were stuck on using word embeddings that would never attain it. You can think about information loss in embeddings the same way as you do with simpler features except it is a lot more complicated and a lot of people look away instead of confronting the problem.
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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Should the AI be able to use a real human's SSN? And resume, to be able to pass a background check? Can a real human show up to interview, and take a drug test? Can we have real humans provide references, or must those be faked too? Must the computer go to high school and college, to have real transcripts to validate? Do we need to have a computer baby trick doctors into issuing it a birth certificate, so it can get…
You can use a real persons contact details as long as the AI does all communication and work. Also it has to be the same AI, no altering the AI after you see the tasks it needs to perform after it gets the job, it has to understand that itself. For teleconferencing it could use text to speech and speech to text, they are pretty good these days so as long as the AI can parse what people say and identify when to speak…
Or on what kinds of resources it would have access to.
Could it, for instance, take its salary, and pay another human to do all or part of the job? [1]
Or how about pay humans to answer questions for it? [2] [3] Helping it understand its assignments, by breaking them down into simpler explanations? Helping it implement a few tricky sub-problems?
Does it have to make more than its total operational expenses, or could I spend ten or hundreds as much as its salary, to afford the compute resources to implement it?
You also haven't indicated how many attempts I could make, per success. Could I, for instance, make tens of thousands of attempts, and if one holds down a job for a year, is that a success?
Also, just to talk about this a little bit, I'll remind you that not all jobs require getting hired. Some people are entrepreneurs. Here's an example that should be pretty interesting. [4] It sure sounds like an AI could win at online poker, which could earn it more than the fully remote job you're envisioning...
[1] : https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/16/169528579...
[2] : https://www.fiverr.com/
[3] : https://www.mturk.com/
[4] : https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190711141343.h....
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
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I have been impressed with what I've seen in the last six months but it still seems that GPT-3 and similar language models greatest talent is fooling people. The other day I prompted a language model with "The S-300 missile system is" and got something that was grammatical but mostly wrong: the S-300 missile system was not only capable of shooting down aircraft and missiles (which it is), but it was also good for sho…
Do you think that is a solvable problem with tweaks to the current training model? Or requires a fundamentally different approach?
The quality of the training set is also critical, more so than the quantity. Some of these clever ideas for creating a lot of training data without any work, such as "guess the next word" can't really capture semantics.
I think it really takes multi-task training, like what the article we are talking about is advocating. That forces the upstream part of the network to learn features that capture important semantics.
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
#169I’m not sure how to word my excitement about the progress we see in AI research in the last years. If you haven’t read it, give Tim Urbans classic piece a slice of your attention: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol... It’s a very entertaining read from a couple of years ago (I think I’ve read it in 2017), and man, have things happened in the field since then. If feels like things truly start…
Not you specifically, but I honestly don't understand how positive many in this community (or really anyone at all) can be about these news. Tim Urban's article explicitly touches on the risk of human extinction, not to mention all the smaller-scale risks from weaponized AI. Have we made any progress on preventing this? Or is HN mostly happy with deprecating humanity because our replacement has more teraflops? Even t…
Re: DeepMind: A Generalist Agent
#170I’m not sure how to word my excitement about the progress we see in AI research in the last years. If you haven’t read it, give Tim Urbans classic piece a slice of your attention: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol... It’s a very entertaining read from a couple of years ago (I think I’ve read it in 2017), and man, have things happened in the field since then. If feels like things truly start…
Not you specifically, but I honestly don't understand how positive many in this community (or really anyone at all) can be about these news. Tim Urban's article explicitly touches on the risk of human extinction, not to mention all the smaller-scale risks from weaponized AI. Have we made any progress on preventing this? Or is HN mostly happy with deprecating humanity because our replacement has more teraflops? Even t…
And that's OK. We are one step toward the universe understanding itself, but we certainly aren't the final step.