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I've been using Twitter since it's main novelty was that it was a successful Ruby on Rails app, and honestly I've been trying to figure out where the exit is for my personal use of Twitter lately. If the acquisition goes through, Twitter won't make enough money to service it's debt, and the things they will do to fix that are pretty much guaranteed to lower the quality of the platform, which frankly has never worked…

> I also think the proposal to have Twitter allow all content that is "legal under US law" is a dangerous idea for the platform being a healthy community that most people actually want to participate in. This is key. If @dang suddenly threw up his hands and said "anything goes on HN within U.S. law" this wonderful virtual discussion forum would die and most of us would sign off forever. I say that as someone whose be…

It will partially solve locality/language dependency problems of following UGC laws though. There were enough of it for Mastodon devs.

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The more likely scenario is that some of the financial backers like Larry Ellison will ask Elon to renegotiate the buyout price due to current market conditions and the deal will fall through.

Twitter is worth a lot less than what it's trading for. Musk's bid is rather idiotically high. Twitter's shareholders will be desperate if they start to see the full mauling that other prominent, hyper overvalued tech stocks have enjoyed lately. They will take a lower offer accordingly, whether that's from Musk or other. The stock is going into the $20s if they don't take an acquisition offer from someone.

Twitters P/E ratio is 186.12!

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It still confuses me that being part-owner of an old dot-com payment company, part-owner of a mid-sized car company (by number of cars sold), and part-owner of a (very good) rocket company make a person richer than anyone has ever been in the history of the planet, but that's probably because I just haven't looked into it enough.

> part-owner of a mid-sized car company (by number of cars sold) Because the market doesn't, and shouldn't, value things solely based on a snapshot of current business, as opposed to a projection of future business, based only partially on the current snapshot. A phrasing that gets at the market's thinking looks more like "A car company that effectively created the electric car market, right before the entire industr…

> But it sounds like the bulk of your confusion comes from a significant misunderstanding of what the stock market _is_.

I think OP would not be the confused one in 6 months time.

Stock market only cares about the future when people care about the future. AKA when there is optimism in the air.

The 2015-2022 wave of optimism was quite frankly uncalled for and overextended given the reality at the base level. Especially what happened 2020-2022.

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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This is mind boggling to me. Kayvon is one of the best product leaders / visionaries I know. It was confusing to me in Dec that he wasn't Jack's successor. Kayvon was a huge driving force behind all the interesting product efforts of the last few years: Spaces, Fleets, topics, etc. Twitter went from not iterating on product (remember when Twitter's only change in several years was to change the star to a heart?) to s…

Spaces is a good feature. Topics is the worst thing I've been subjected to in my life. I have a second account in Japanese and Topics constantly adds posts about trashy American pop stars I barely know to the feed.

Agree. Spaces is good and the others not as much. Though I do use the 'War in Ukraine' topic a lot.

The main diff though is that Twitter for a moment in time started taking some shots. Not that they were all the best shots. But for my first two years there it felt like the company took nearly 0 shots. That shift happened with Kayvon.

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> Elon is margin called by year end is roughly 40% according to option prices The margin loans will almost certainly be replaced with outside equity prior to closing.

I am wondering what is in it for those people lining up - they are paying 20% over the market value to be locked in with musk.

I don't have any background in finance, but it seems like there are a couple of possibilities.

First, given the recent precipitous fall in the NASDAQ, there's speculation that Musk will lower the offer (which seems quite reasonable).

Second, I'm not sure there's any reason to assume these new equity investors are paying the share price Musk is paying. If Musk pays $54.20 a share, and needs to raise 25% of the acquisition cost by issuing new equity, he could sell 49.99% of the new company at say, $30 a share to his partners and still raise the required capital.

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What's wrong with firing someone on paternity leave? It's not like he was fired because he was on paternity leave.

Maybe they would like to focus on their newborn, their wife, the new family dynamic - you know: important things - and not some stupid web app - which is what I would assume, since they're on maternity leave in the first place.

Would it be better if he was fired the day he came back into the office?

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The two execs fired were: - Kayvon Beykpour, Head of Consumer Product (3 years, 11 months) [1]; and - Bruce Falck, Revenue Product Lead (5 years at Twitter, 3 years and 11 months in this position) [2] Kinda weird that both people were just shy of serving 4 years in their current roles. When I see moves like this my immediate thought is always, it's to save or make money. For example, there could be an options pool in…

Aside from that 3.93 is slightly less than 4, it's odd that both employees were in their current position for the same amount of time. I.e. they were part of the same cohort. What was Twitter doing in June-ish 2018 that resulted in them hiring multiple people in key roles? Was there an expansion, or a re-org, or executive turn-over? Or just overfitting two data points?

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VW will produce more EV next year than tesla (800K)

Hopefully they will produce 800k EVs. In 2020, they produced 263k EVs, so they'll roughly need to triple production. https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/2022/01/Volkswagen_doub... Tesla produced 936k cars last year, so VW will probably need to build more than 800k EVs to surpass Tesla in 2022. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38657616/tesla-million-ev...

Interesting. BTW they target 1.2 million in 2024

Re: Twitter CEO fires two top executives, freezes hiring

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Good news then - he doesn't have to focus on some stupid web app anymore! And lord knows he's not worried about providing for his family.

And all without agency over the decision!

Does anyone ever have 100% agency in a decision when there are multiple mutually consenting parties involved?
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