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Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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I feel bad for people losing money, but crypto has not lived up to its potential at all, remains a solution looking for a problem, and is an environmental disaster. I used to be a huge believer. Brian Armstrong gave me my first Bitcoin in 2011 at District in SOMA. Electricity was included in my rent so I bought 10 video cards and mined for about two years on 5 systems. At a company I founded, I use Bitcoin to pay for…

By "potential" do you mean "potential stated by crypto investors & startup founders" or like...something more objective?

"potential" like a decentralized currency as Satoshi imagined.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…

Here is my weird tin foil hat theory that explains, like, a lot of what's been going in the world in the past twenty years.

A significant fraction of young single men feel a deep compulsion to indulge in risky behavior with a potential high reward in order to make a name for themselves or earn their place in society. I don't know if it's genetic, cultural, both. But for many young dudes, it's not enough to simply work a good job and enjoy their leisure time.

Men like this are the free radicals of society. If the society can't find a healthy productive outlet for their drive to compete, take risks, and seek fame and adventure, then they will just do outright dangerous shit with potentially large collateral damage.

For most of human society, hunting, exploring, dangerous jobs, and war were significant outlets for this. They gave men a way of doing something courageous that their culture held in high esteem.

But today, we have domesticated animals, explored every square inch of the Earth, automated all of the risky manufacturing and resource-gathering jobs, avoided large-scale war outbreaks (and used technology to reduce military casualties and fatalities). There are simply less paths available for a young man who feels like he has nothing to take pride in unless he succeeds in some bold risky adventurer.

For a while, videogames functioned as a simulated output for that impulse. I think that's why many gamers flipped the fuck out during Gamergate when they felt that their avenue to satisfy that urge was being invadaded and taken from them.

It was, I think, a driver of the rise of the alt-right, doomsday preppers, and Trumpism. This impulse elect a wildcard as President, burn it out down and start over because in a world of chaos, there is maybe an opportunity for the bold.

And now, I believe, much of the crypto world is driven by that exact same impulse. Young, overwhelmingly male, "crypto bros" desperately looking for some unexplored frontier where they can build something new and forge an identity for themselves.

The problem is that there is no there there. It's all a house of cards. No actual new value is being created, so it's just crypto bros competing with other crypto bros in what will likely end up being a zero sum game (except for all the unfortunate other investors who get sucked in).

Even if crypto all collapses, the core problem will remain. These dudes will just find something new to slake their thirst for risk. Hopefully it will be on something less destructive to society.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Buffett calls gold an “unproductive” asset, which, as defined in his 2011 letter to shareholders, means “assets that will never produce anything, but that are purchased in the buyer's hope that someone else — who also knows that these assets will be forever unproductive — will pay more for them in the future.”" Source: https://grow.acorns.com/warren-buffett-why-gold-is-an-unprod...

Doesn't that apply just as well to public stocks, at least at the scale of most retail investors? Like sure, you "own part of the company" and the company might produce things, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows deep down that they're just purchasing in the hope that someone else with the same mindset will pay more for them in the future.

In theory, stocks can produce dividends. If a stock does not currently yield dividends, presumably the company is reinvesting that money so that the stock might yield higher dividends in the future. So stocks are a productive asset, at least in theory. Of course, in reality, speculative investment does contribute to the value of the stock, but at least it's notionally backed by something.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will preface this statement by stating that I know nothing about the stock market and let my retirement account be handled by an investor... What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? I understand there is a lot of theory behind TRYING to predict it, just as there is a lot of study in trying to predict trends in the stock market, which is why you are better off investing in groups of stocks as oppos…

> What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? Are we really comparing the two markets? Owning a stock means owning a piece of a business. If you have all the stock in the world, you seized all means of production, good job. If you own all the UnpossibleJimCoins in the world what exactly has changed? Oh but that coin is not insert another coin , it doesn't have the consensus/cult.

> Owning a stock means owning a piece of a business

That is clearly not true. What you own, is something worth X amount of Y, where Y is what other believe it is worth.

"Means of production" has a very specific meaning and what you're saying is not it.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#395
No. A bunch of ultra-rich VCs were bored of having too much money and pumped up a crazy web3 thing. This was their "Squid Game" moment where they create the games and put millions of clueless kids to run like rats around their pyramid schemes. I somehow wish the VCs would lose their money instead of millions of kids.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulation can’t come soon enough. These are risky assets at best. People are getting hurt. Just think how much real tech talent has been wasted on this pointless experiment. This could have gone into fintech, greentech, healthtech, proptech etc anything else really that creates real value.

crypto is a branch of fintech though

Ok - the non crypto bit of fintech. Basically anything else but this

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#398
Yes. It's been a lovely week so far.

I'm mad as hell that people got taken in by it. Increased suicide rates, broken families, lost homes, etc. It is infuriating that the people behind this are going to walk away without a single scar or regret. It's been a giant con from the get-go and it sucks seeing so many lives ruined over it.

However I will dance on its grave and laugh as it all burns down. If it wasn't going to be put down it would destroy itself eventually. I'm here for it.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#400
I myself was a big believer in Bitcoin and its ability to transform internet transactions. However, I believe Bitcoin and other crytocurrencies got taken over by get-rich-quick MLM pyramid schemers. It can't be a useful blockchain until it shakes off all these get-rich-quick people and settles around some stable value (no, 10% MoM gains is not stable).
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