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The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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And before that one of the founders of BitGo was at Google and and wrote much of the HTTP/2 and SPDY :)

Is that you Mike?

Lol nah. Met mike doing a project for them a few years ago when BitGo was young. Always thought it was kinda neat :)

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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A big fallacy that I always see - and that is implied by this post - is that the work ends after shipping, a.k.a. "build it and they will come". That doesn't happen any more. So after you "ship" it, you need to promote it, advertise it, create buzz around it and make people use it. And that is a totally different kind of beast than coding something. But on the flip side, if you develop a side project just for yoursel…

Serious question, how do you know whether it's your product or your marketing that sucks? For example, I tried twitter ads for my product [1] and I got zero sales after spending $50. What are good marketing strategies for niche hardware products? [1] https://www.invisible-computers.com/

Yeah, your website sucks. The product looks really nice, but the landing page barely even feels like it wants me to check it out. I can barely even tell it’s a landing page.

I was actually thinking about exactly this product earlier this week. I have kids and their schedule is really complicated these days - some days some of them need packed lunches, uniform is different on PE days etc etc. I want to walk into the kitchen and have the details for the day right there. There’s a real use for the product, you need to work on the landing page (I’d suggest considering starting again with a template)

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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post #3

A big fallacy that I always see - and that is implied by this post - is that the work ends after shipping, a.k.a. "build it and they will come". That doesn't happen any more. So after you "ship" it, you need to promote it, advertise it, create buzz around it and make people use it. And that is a totally different kind of beast than coding something. But on the flip side, if you develop a side project just for yoursel…

> "build it and they will come" I also used to think that build it and they will come was a big fallacy, but it's not really. The fallacy is, "build it and the whole world will fight to get what you built". That sure won't happen by itself or by chance. But if you build something reasonably good, some people will come. That may not be enough for you to make a living out of it, but it will make it worthwhile. > Learni…

Learning helps you pay your rent in the long run though, as it lifts your overall qualification level.

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

#174
post #3

A big fallacy that I always see - and that is implied by this post - is that the work ends after shipping, a.k.a. "build it and they will come". That doesn't happen any more. So after you "ship" it, you need to promote it, advertise it, create buzz around it and make people use it. And that is a totally different kind of beast than coding something. But on the flip side, if you develop a side project just for yoursel…

Serious question, how do you know whether it's your product or your marketing that sucks? For example, I tried twitter ads for my product [1] and I got zero sales after spending $50. What are good marketing strategies for niche hardware products? [1] https://www.invisible-computers.com/

Piling on for some feedback here. This isnt a product that people need. Everyone already has access to a calendar on their phone, on paper, on a whiteboard, whatever.

So it has to be something people want. And it doesnt look cool/sleek/exciting enough for people to want it. The bezel is huge, its black and white, and looks overpriced.

Some marketing angles work, but your product has to honestly support them. Ex:

- hackable. Need to show off connection interface, API, some cool project examples. As far as I can tell, LEDs never hurt here.

- sophisticated/elegant.

- useful. Seems easier to use /better than what people are already doing.

- cool. Buys access to a group of exciting people you wouldn't get to meet otherwise.

But the absolute best way to market a hardware product is to stop making it about tech. My dad bought a digital picture frame a while back as a gift. Thats a way easier bar to clear, its emotional, sentimental, symbolic, so the technical execution doesnt need to be as flawless.

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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post #3

A big fallacy that I always see - and that is implied by this post - is that the work ends after shipping, a.k.a. "build it and they will come". That doesn't happen any more. So after you "ship" it, you need to promote it, advertise it, create buzz around it and make people use it. And that is a totally different kind of beast than coding something. But on the flip side, if you develop a side project just for yoursel…

You're so wrong. I built it and they came. And when I say they, I mean millions of users. Here's my blog post about it: https://catonmat.net/if-you-build-it-they-will-come

Congratulations! Though in claiming that since it worked in your case, it will work in the majority of cases you commit the anecdotal evidence fallacy.

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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> The money award helped pay for my entire grad school tuition. Is that what the award was...intended for? You maybe don't want to brag about that on the internet.

I assume the award was to pay for development. As long as it wasn't grossly in excess of prevailing dev wages, why shouldn't they be able to use their salary as they see fit...?

That's exactly right -- along with the money I had to introduce the app to a few schools, collect feedback, make improvements, etc., which is what the money was for and which I did. It just worked out nicely that I was in grad school at the time and it matched to what my outstanding balance was!

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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This is extremely true. I think some people are "maximizers" - They will always do research to seek out the "best" for their given budget for even moderately priced purchases. Engineers tend to fit this profile, so its easy for them to get psyched-out when trying to ship a product. But people - and businesses - aren't always like this. They will buy what's available and seems to get the job done and seems like less o…

It's worse if we routinely read highly critical message boards like this one. I'm currently developing a desktop app using Electron, but comments like this [1] make me wonder if I should scrap it and start over using purely Rust and/or C++. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31350035

"Desktop App" could be anything from a taskbar app with a couple screens, to a CRUD app, to something that plays video, to a screenshot app, to something that only deals with audio, to something that only really needs system dialogs, etc, etc...

Electron works great for some of those use cases.

The other stuff works great for other use cases.

Anyone giving general advice on that is giving bad advice, period.

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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This is just a personal viewpoint, but I think the era of "just ship it" will be gone after a decade or so. * Software "development" skill will become so common and cheap that simple tools won't get any market. * The market will be dictated by tools instead of code content . * Language-as-a-service will be a thing, as it allows customers to fill in business requirements AND allows the backing company to perform engin…

I wholeheartedly agree, and I may even be working on what you're describing here, which I wrote a little bit about on my company blog (bit of a shameless plug, sorry): https://blog.molecule.dev/system-integration-tool-not-framew...

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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> I started building an app on 01.01.2018. It was New Year's Eve and we just had the crappiest night ever. Yes, imagine a night so bad that at midnight you decide "you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna work on WEB DEVELOPMENT". That bad. Am I the only one that actually enjoys development ? I do development for fun in my free time, often with things that are completely throw away.

I enjoy coding when I have a problem code can solve. (Sometimes I enjoy it a little too much, and before I know it I've skipped dinner.) I don't think I'd code just for the sake of it, though.

Re: The saddest “just ship it” story (2020)

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I got stuck on weird integration with the payment processor. This, plus a few other minor issues set me back two months. No biggy, right? Wrong. I have shipped B2B product in late November. Came in December downtime. Close to 4-5 months wasted because I delayed shipping. Till day I slap myself in the face for that.

This kind of thing happens way too often and is one of the problems my startup (Molecule.dev) solves. May I ask which payment processor?
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