Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not gloating just yet. If you bought Bitcoin at literally any other time than the two peaks that have occurred over the last year, then you're still way, way, way up. Bitcoin was last at its current price between those two peaks, a little less than one year ago. Of course, NFTs and all that were just so obviously nonsense that I don't even think it's worth commenting on.
As soon as it was clear that Bitcoin was going to be a commodity instead of a currency (why use it as a currency to buy a pizza this week when it could buy you a car next week?), it was clear it was now a pyramid scheme. That's why I didn't invest in it. What I hadn't counted on was how gullible people were for pyramid schemes.
Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#292If you're glad the crypto market is crashing, I think that speaks more about you than the crypto market.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#293It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
crypto dude bros are irritating, just stay off social media, what sickens me more is all these companies jumping on the crypto.nft.metaverse bandwagon, like f off seriously.
What do you do when literally everyone you know IRL is into it? Everyones brain has been warped by speculation.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#294It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
I will preface this statement by stating that I know nothing about the stock market and let my retirement account be handled by an investor... What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? I understand there is a lot of theory behind TRYING to predict it, just as there is a lot of study in trying to predict trends in the stock market, which is why you are better off investing in groups of stocks as oppos…
A lot of the math is automated these days. PE ratios, SMA (simple moving average), etc. etc.
The basis of most stock analysis is price per earnings, or also known as "How much does $1 of profits cost?". Ex: PE of 20 means that it costs $20 to buy $1/year of profits. PE of 100 means it costs $100 to buy $1/year of profits.
Using this as a baseline, you can estimate the future performance of many stocks. You then correct for public sentiment, bailouts, supply changes (are chips getting rarer and/or more expensive?), and try to predict _future_ profits, not just historical profits.
The company with the most profits, at the lowest price, wins in the long run. Buying $100/year worth of profits for just $1000 investment is better than buying $100/year worth of profits for $50,000.
But the "math" is easy. You just take the profits from last year, then divide it by the #shares * $value of the shares. You can also try to be "forward-PE" by predicting next year's profits and dividing it with today's #shares * $value of shares.
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The #shares changes over time. Companies can make new shares or "buyback" shares at any time. That is why when you hear about company "share buybacks", the stock goes up (fewer shares means lower PE, meaning the people who are buying the remaining shares get more $profits per $investment).
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EDIT: Note that under this theory, it doesn't "matter" what the company does with its profits. Profits can go back to the investors through dividends. Or, profits can be spent back on the same company through Capital-Expenditures (ie: building bigger factories or larger systems). "Growth" companies issue no dividends, because they "recycle" all profits into growing. Or the company can buy another company with the profits. Etc. etc.
While "Value" companies tend to return the money as dividends to the share holders.
Shareholders don't really care. If the profits are given to the shareholders, then shareholders can buy up more of the stock (growing their %ownership, and they themselves get more % of the profits next cycle).
If the profits are invested into itself, then shareholder value goes up as appropriate (instead of $1-million worth of factories, next year the company is doing everything with $1.1-million worth of factories and gets 10% higher profits all around).
If another company was bought, same thing, except the factories are separated by different names / locations.
Of course, the "details matter". Some industries are better suited for growth than others. But the fundamental assumption is "control more profits for fewer dollars".
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EDIT2: Anyway, what ends up happening is that the math-part is easy. Its the prediction part that's hard.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#295Yes, I'm glad this ponzi is crashing. You can feel somewhat sorry for the greater fools, but they're learning an expensive lesson and hopefully will not repeat their mistake anytime soon.
However, it's not like crypto is the only bubble crashing right now. Stocks, bonds, and (soon to be, but to a lesser extent) real estate - they're all going down in a pretty big way because the Fed is taking away the punch bowl. Yes, it seems unlikely that crypto would have inflated to the point it did without the Fed's easy money policy for the last dozen+ years, but neither would stocks or real estate. It gave us a culture where people thought they didn't need to work to obtain wealth, a few well-placed bets and you were gonna be set. But that mentality is corrosive in the longrun.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#296It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
I will preface this statement by stating that I know nothing about the stock market and let my retirement account be handled by an investor... What real math is involved in predicting the stock market? I understand there is a lot of theory behind TRYING to predict it, just as there is a lot of study in trying to predict trends in the stock market, which is why you are better off investing in groups of stocks as oppos…
These types of analysis don't necessarily predict anything on their own especially in the short term, though they likely do have value in the long term when you stack up lots of these signals.
The problem with applying math to crypto investing (not trading) is that there's no market, no sales, no cash burn rate, no actual accounting going on to base a longer term thesis on.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#297Is anyone surprised considering some central banks are going to be launching their own crypto? Its almost like the secret experiment with crypto is over, and I'm saying this as one of the first bitcoin miners.
That'll be permissioned/private blockchains (if at all), though, without that PoW nonsense.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#298I'm genuinely confused. This current crash is not nearly as bad as several recent crashes. The fall in price in the big coins (Eth, BTC) seems downright modest. A bunch of new meme coins got obliterated, which is also normal and completely predictable. Why are people treating this as if it's going to be the fall of crypto? Because a peg broke? Have people not heard of Mt. Gox?
Yeah, this thread reads as very weird to me, it's liking I'm watching the SV tech bubble manufacture consent in real time. In reality, crypto has been tracking the market almost 1:1 for like 6 months now.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not clear on the logic here to be perfectly honest, even if I broadly agree that the real innovation with Bitcoin died when it was clear it would never be a currency. But gold is also a commodity, and I don't think I've ever heard it called a pyramid scheme.
"Buffett calls gold an “unproductive” asset, which, as defined in his 2011 letter to shareholders, means “assets that will never produce anything, but that are purchased in the buyer's hope that someone else — who also knows that these assets will be forever unproductive — will pay more for them in the future.”" Source: https://grow.acorns.com/warren-buffett-why-gold-is-an-unprod...
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#300I am not happy that it’s crashing. As always it’s the little guys losing their money while the big guys are walking away with tons of money. I would celebrate if the big crypto players list their shirts. They lose a little but still walk away with huge ill gotten gains. P We have created a culture where quick money gets celebrated and regular work doesn’t pay off anymore. It’s no surprise that people get sucked into…