It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe trying to centrally plan the money supply is the same losing game as centrally planning your steel production? You kinda never win unless you stop playing.
So you're suggesting we go back to each private bank issuing their own bank notes?
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think that’s the point. Copper and most other commodities are productive under Buffet’s definition because you put them into pipes and other things. They are manufacturing inputs. Their price is set by the demand for the things that you make with them. Housing demand goes up => copper price goes up. Gold is used in manufacturing but not as much as it could be, because the price is set much higher by speculati…
So I suppose when Buffett purchased 130 million ounces of silver in 1998 he was thinking about the manufacturing inputs? I do think there is in fact a "productive use" for cyptocurrency, which is transacting on the dark web. It has been earnestly used as a currency in that context for a very long time... it's just that bitcoin boosters would rather not talk about it.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#274It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
For what it's worth, you seem consumed by your envy. Accept that crypto investors, even the most stupid ones, took a risk you didn't take and were rewarded handsomely.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#275It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#276Then there's a surreal amount of noise. The hundreds of altcoins, the blockchain buzzword, insane speculation, insane energy use and carbon emissions, drama about losing funds.
So yes, I'd like to cut down the noise so we can focus on the innovations.
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#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah the classic coiner refrain. Thanks bud. We do. We really, really do. We've spent many years learning exactly what those things are thanks to all this insufferable nonsense. I know more about crypto than practically 90% of the crypto community. I know all the personalities, the history, the fraud, the crime, the grift. I've read countless whitepapers. I've learned about 'traditional' finance. All because of the bri…
The best scientific explanation for why Musk is rich is our social system requires we implicitly believe and repeat that idea due to political training which is hand me down gossip from parents. He’s even said he’s propped up by others. You are being annoyed with people when they’re not reciting the right semantics? Some form of just stick to the script? The entire internet is full of insufferable bullshit brigading…
Not at all, I'm sick and tired of being told to "do my own research" in response to thoughtful and measured criticism by people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about.
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#278But hey, let's just blanket claim that it's all a ponzi scheme (despite the definition of ponzi schemes being very clear and very different from the essentials of Bitcoin or Ethereum or many other cryptocurrencies). Or lets go on and on ad nauseum about the carbon burn of BTC and PoW mining (despite many of you working in tech fields where insane amounts of electrical energy and carbon are burned just maintaining billions of people's generally utterly pointless social media posts or cat videos).
Or how about endlessly sniping about fraud and money laundering on these systems, never mind that the wider financial world is filled with fraud on a far larger scale and that even social networks along with many other digital technologies are enormously used for exactly the same thing. Worth noting here again that there are actually many, many people in the world, people who aren't so nicely blessed by sound government landscapes, trustworthy or functional financial institutions and easy access to bank accounts who already do use crypto in many non-criminal ways (at least morally non-criminal). Anecdote, yes, but I personally know many who do this, and especially among people who I know in developing countries. I've read more than enough to know that the use is much wider than commonly reported. Even Chainalysis has estimated that only a small fraction of all crypto transactions are due to crime and fraud, and their very business is tracking the fraudulent use of crypto.
And finally, that it's useless because blockchains can be replaced by so many other things, or because DeFi sucks, or because transaction fees, or because "12 years later and there's barely a use case" and etc and etc... Since when does a technology have to be immediately useful and incredible to be interesting? Some of the sniping against blockchain's usefulness reminds me of the mentality behind those who criticized the Dropbox founder's original 2011 post on HN. Furthermore, have so many of you who make the argument about crypto going nowhere been completely blind to the amount of business exploration and experimentation that the wider ecosystem creates literally by the day? Sure, much of these experiments will fail, collapse or include plenty of fraud. So too have many other interesting and now robust technologies over the decades. Frankly, it's a shame to the very most basic idea of the word "hacker" that these negative arguments should be used to totally condemn something like considering how interestingly it's being explored in the wider world.
I could go on but what's the point? So much of the sniping here deviates so completely from legitimate, reasoned criticisms into irrationally, repetitively emotional hate that it's often like arguing at a brick wall.
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#279I have been sitting on cash since end of last year, I am finally seeing opportunities to buy at reasonable price: stocks and crypto. Stocks, cryptos, houses: people kept buying no matter the price, even though, it was so obvious that those prices were not sustainable. And we are finally seeing a proper correction. I think, houses are next in line.
I don't agree about houses, either. It seems unsustainable, yes, but I'm having trouble finding the broken fundamentals. It seems like the only 'fix' for prices is building more housing, and that isn't a correction.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
that would be fine logic if we had unlimited clean energy unfortunately as its supply is limited... it being consumed for useless work means it can't be used for useful work, and as a result dirty energy is being generated for that instead
You have it all backwards. The PoW is useful work because it helps secure my hard-earned savings against very high inflation my country is dealing with (I store my savings in Bitcoin). While many other (non-PoW) energy uses you have in mind are useless for me.
none of which require burning hundreds of barrels of oil a day calculating quadrillions of sha1 hashes to keep their value from collapsing
and if you don't want to physically hold them then there's ETFs for that