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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

partiallypro wrote: post #208
Gigachad wrote: post #92

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The problem with Wordpress isn't the ease of use, its the constant maintenance required. If you are a local restaurant, you don't need an extremely powerful and flexible framework. You need something that is always online, doesn't get hacked, doesn't have its certificates expire, doesn't run out of disk space because of a log file, doesn't get stuck on a 5 year old debian, etc. If you have to pay a little more to hav…

Wordpress doesn't actually require that much maintenance at all, I feel like this is a myth or because people have only dealt with very old Wordpress builds. Wordpress now has automatic updates built into it, and large agencies or companies automate updates otherwise. I don't understand your certs expiring, etc comment. That is because of your host if anything, and even the worst host now offer with Cloudflare or Let…

Businesses don't care about stuff like that. Especially if the alternative is free. Any maintenance is too much maintenance.

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Post by nr2x »

lucideer wrote: post #167
nr2x wrote: post #61

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Wordpress code base is the best argument for the MVC design pattern specifically because it shows what goes wrong when you toss the idea of encapsulation out the window.

I wouldn't specifically say "MVC"; one could argue it's the best argument for many design patterns or QA approaches, as it flagrantly ignores all of them.

Lol, fair - it’s basically spaghetti code

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Post by kstrauser »

Robotbeat wrote: post #179
kstrauser wrote: post #79

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A friend of mine has a Wix account for who knows why. We were planning an event and he asked me to make a web page for it. I didn’t have the free cycles to do it at that moment, but he came back to me with a mostly finished Wix website a couple of hours later. I’ve gotta say, while I’m not interested in using it, I was impressed with how quickly someone less technical was able to get something decent up and running.

What does Wix do for your friend that you couldn’t do in Microsoft Word (which makes acceptable HTML static pages)? (I’ve never used Wix myself, so it’s a real question.)

If you generate a static page, you have to upload it to something to host it. Wix and Squarespace handle that "last mile" for you. You drag and drop things to get the layout you want, click the publish button, and it's live. They also support things like response forms, etc., that you'd otherwise have to manage yourself.

I wouldn't use Wix or similar for those things, but after seeing how someone less technical uses them, I see the appeal.

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Post by XCSme »

dpcan wrote: post #12

We can make assumptions all day but for me, the worst thing about WordPress is EASILY Plugin Hell. I can update all plugins this morning and they all want updates by the end of the day. And then when they break it’s a disaster. WordPress itself needs to take a chill pill too. Leave a version out for a year or more, and only small security patches. In the last year, I think we’ve seen block widgets, JQuery migrate nig…

I have been running a few WordPress sites for like 10 years now and never had any of them randomly break, I just use a few core plugins and two premium themes and update them once in a while.

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Post by jorams »

agumonkey wrote: post #209
aliswe wrote: post #158

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the source code is the worst part of it all.

Surprisingly pentesters i work with say the core is not too bad

The core is not too bad in the sense that it's stable, well-maintained, and mostly well-documented. The online code reference is also pretty great. The quality of the code is otherwise atrocious. Nobody should look at WordPress for any sort of guidance on what good code looks like.

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Post by levesque »

ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #210
levesque wrote: post #189

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So it sounds like the restaurants are overestimating how well an instagram account responds to their needs. Maybe they do need to invest in a more traditional web page after all. I'll happily disregard any restaurant that forces me to log on whatever platform to view their menu.

You're kinda doing a little logical fallacy there too.

Okay.

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Post by pessimizer »

Robotbeat wrote: post #136
pipeline_peak wrote: post #32

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I see saying, blogs have definitely been shrinking. The web is too large and complex to be discovered unless your service is within one of the 5 or so major social platforms. To own a domain is almost a status symbol, letting users know “we are an established entity”. It’s pretty revealing when a local bar cover band or a Chinese restaurant has its own website. It’s almost always decrepit in maintenance and low traff…

The fact that we’ve overcomplicated the skill set needed to maintain a “modern” website has helped contribute to this problem. A static website could be so bloody simple. Just save a bloody Word document to HTML with your pictures and menu and telephone number and open hours and links to maps and upload it to a folder. But… Even basic file handling skills are becoming uncommon.

> Even basic file handling skills are becoming uncommon.

Intentionally. If your users know they're manipulating files with your software and not "songs," "pictures," or "documents," they're less likely to subscribe to your cloud service that copies them between machines and more likely to find another application that can consume those files.

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Post by Robotbeat »

kstrauser wrote: post #213
Robotbeat wrote: post #179

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What does Wix do for your friend that you couldn’t do in Microsoft Word (which makes acceptable HTML static pages)? (I’ve never used Wix myself, so it’s a real question.)

If you generate a static page, you have to upload it to something to host it. Wix and Squarespace handle that "last mile" for you. You drag and drop things to get the layout you want, click the publish button, and it's live. They also support things like response forms, etc., that you'd otherwise have to manage yourself. I wouldn't use Wix or similar for those things, but after seeing how someone less technical uses…

Thanks, that makes sense.
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