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Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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I actually hate people disavowing themselves of responsibility here. While there is definitely some shady stuff in Crypto (particularly NFTs, which seem to be 99% scams), there's a certain level of personal responsibility required here. People saw the meteoric rise of Bitcoin and got a serious case of FOMO. Everyone wanted to be on the next Bitcoin. This, ultimately, is the American Dream: to get rich by doing nothin…

The reasons this is nonsense are twofold: First, I have never actually seen any comments here disavowing themselves of responsibility. It is always aimed at protecting others and this is rooted in the obvious fact that a very large number of people are not (and we do not expect them to be) experts in investment. That assets can go up or down is one thing, and nobody can be protected from that, but there is an extensi…

> people are not (and we do not expect them to be) experts in investment.

So then they should stay out of the game. I totally disagree that we need a bunch of bullshit laws protecting people from poor decision making.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Is it the casino foult that their customers loose money Casinos are very strictly regulated and must post the exact rules and probability of winning for all their games. If the casino lies about the rules of the game or your chances of winning, then yes it is absolutely their fault and they will be held liable.

Where can I find my exact win rate at poker posted?

You can see the exact rules of poker, and you can calculate exact win rates for any given strategy against the house since they play a fixed strategy.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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post #764

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If it is 20% backed, haven't they pocketed the other 80bill already anyway? Therefore the 20B left is just a lottery ticket you might as well pay to have a chance to klept some more hundreds of bills? What am I missing here? That the 80 bill has been badly spent on papering over some exchange losses?

People use USDT to buy and sell other tokens, it's like an on/off ramp to all things "crypto". You give them 1USD, they give you 1USDT, and you can buy whatever fake coin you like. The issue is that it's true that for every 1USD you give to Tether, there's 1USDT, but it's not true that for every 1USDT Tether mints, there's 1USD in some bank. Estimates are in the low 10%, but it's probably less. They have essentially…

Point of clarification.

If they give you 1 USDT for 1 dollar that's fine as long as they can return that dollar when you return the USDT. The problem is when the number of coins in circulation not held by Tether is not backed with 1:1 cash or currency equivalents.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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The difference between Tether and DollarCoin is that you can (if nobody is lying) exchange a tether for a USD. If each USD that bought a tether was burned as in DollarCoin, then it wouldn't have that property. You're not supposed to "burn any money" when you mint tether, you're supposed to put aside $1 that can be exchanged for that tether at a later date. I think what you're missing is that backed stablecoins don't…

Did that ever come out of the pool of money that went into minting the tether? Or was it just more consumers getting in while others got out?

Considering that no serious and credible audit has ever before verified the backing of USDT, I think we all can agree it is a Ponzi scheme, through and through.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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You're perfectly describing the sunk cost fallacy. The naifs who overcomitted on a "guaranteed win" investment can't walk back from it because that would mean giving up on a lot (e.g. 50% or more) of their investments, which often as you said isn't money they really had "lying around" (even your retirement fund isn't really disposable once you actually need to retire on it). The failure to achieve the promised growth…

I think the prevalence and scale of criminal activity through crypto was under appreciated in the mainstream. Let’s be real, much of the market activity is money laundering, ransomware and other payoffs, and Chinese people bypassing currency controls. It’s no coincidence that China cracked down on miners and the price dropped a few months ago. It’s plain as day now that with Russia being removed from the internet and…

It wasn’t so long ago we had some fans of crypto on HN, lots of stories how this or that scheme was going to work.

First movers want to sound and convince others they are right and “now” is the right time to step in.

Most of it can be debunked if you had a good economy course that tells you how value is created.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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post #758
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It's basically all uncharted waters. Yesterday's freakout over Coinbase saying that all customer assets could be seized in the case of bankruptcy was basically them saying they have absolutely no idea what would happen because no precedent exists. In reality, regulatory agencies have broad authority and can seek more when needed to deal with unexpected events. If they think Coinbase or Tether represent a systemic ris…

> If they think Coinbase or Tether represent a systemic risk, they will find a way to bail out investors because the downside risk of doing nothing is too great. It's possible some of the major crypto institutions have reached Too Big To Fail status regardless of whatever statutory authority exists to protect them. That's silly. The only people who actually believe this are the ones who have so bought into the hype t…

It doesn't matter if it's a scam or if it provides value. Lots of activity leading up to the 2007 crisis was scammy but once enough people and institutions were exposed it had to be dealt with. If Moderna says they put all the cash in Tether and now they're broke and can't produce vaccines, they'll get bailed out.

All that being said I don't actually think that we'll see anything like that. There will be some negative wealth effect but unlikely any systemic risk. Traditional financial institutions have been leery of crypto from the start and they still control the vast majority of capital.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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The reasons this is nonsense are twofold: First, I have never actually seen any comments here disavowing themselves of responsibility. It is always aimed at protecting others and this is rooted in the obvious fact that a very large number of people are not (and we do not expect them to be) experts in investment. That assets can go up or down is one thing, and nobody can be protected from that, but there is an extensi…

If people cant handle the basic of investing they shouldnt do it. If its too good to be true it mostly isnt. Is it the casino foult that their customers loose money because the ambient is so inviting and screams wining?

> Is it the casino foult that their customers loose money

Since “customers losing money” is the entire business model and what casinos work to optimize, yes, obviously.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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The speculation in this thread is silly. While Tether is certainly opaque (you could say shady), it's incredibly doubtful that it's unbacked to a significant extent. Even if it's only backed at 50% (which would be really shocking to me), it would take 39B$ to flow through the system to actually cause a depeg. That's very unlikely, and just the logistics of it means it would leave a lot of time to Tether to clear the…

> Even if it's only backed at 50% (which would be really shocking to me) Why would that be shocking? It seems clear to me that they are full of shit. Maybe it's 80% or 8% or basically 0% . Who knows..

Because if they are backed to only say 20% where did the rest of the money go? Did $80B disappear or what? And what are the reason to believe they did other than conspiracy theories? Why would they not just buy $80B worth of bonds to collect free interest on them?

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Mind that... it actually was a good idea. Until people started cheating with it, exactly as you say. Tokenized dollars allow to benefit from the tech (smart contracts), which is itself great and opens a lot of possibilities. What's not is: Ponzi schemes (Terra), crooks (Tether?). Edit: There are valid stablecoins like USDC (they hold sufficient reserves) and even valid algorithmic stablecoins e.g. LUSD, backed by Eth…

Dai? Not a ponzi scheme. USDC is the same thing as Tether. It's too bad Terra ever existed. I took one look over their plan to keep their coin stable and noped out of there.

Tether is unaudited. USDC has at least been audited by a global tier-1 accounting firm. That’s a huge difference.
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