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Indeed hilariously naive. "Naked Baby Photos Lead to Parents' Arrest" https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/naked-baby-p...
> The case of a Utah couple charged with a crime for photos they took of a father kissing his naked baby These cases are absurd but we're talking about the EU here, not the US.
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> In Italy we had 67 different governments since 1946. Colloquially when Americans say “government” they are referring to the entire state, including not just elected officials but professional civil servants, police, courts, intelligence agencies, etc. You have definitely not had 67 different governments since 1946 in the sense that I think was meant.
> You have definitely not had 67 different governments I've studied English, not American. So government to me means means "the group of people who officially control a country", like in this BBC headline "Netanyahu out as new Israeli government approved" . We definitely had 67 governments. Or 67 cabinets, if you prefer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Ita...
Regardless, if debating in good faith you should respond to what people clearly mean, not to what you feel the words they’re using should mean in “correct” English.
> Or 67 cabinets, if you prefer.
Absolutely nobody is disputing this. The Wikipedia link is unnecessary.
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You're probably not the first person to ask the question of "but what about parents taking pictures of their naked kids in a pool", I'm sure they plan on having some way of dealing with it if anything to lighten their workload. That doesn't mean it will be perfect but no matter how jaded we all are, nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people.
>nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people. If anything, the 21st century has proven quite a few people are more than willing to do so when they deem the lack of true positives to be the greater evil. Or even just doing it for their own benefit.
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The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
Privacy rights are in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which is indirectly part of the Treaty of Lisbon, the closest thing to an EU constitution. The CJEU has stuck down laws affecting privacy multiple times. There is always wiggle room of course, and vigilance has to be eternal.
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Then encryption becomes evidence of guilt, unless you give up the key so they can search it to make sure you're not guilty.
This is not how it works at least in Canada and the US. Until they can read the password out of our minds (or at least prove that we have it) we don't need to give up the key.
Also, why don't they just beat the shit out of you to get the key?
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> You have definitely not had 67 different governments I've studied English, not American. So government to me means means "the group of people who officially control a country", like in this BBC headline "Netanyahu out as new Israeli government approved" . We definitely had 67 governments. Or 67 cabinets, if you prefer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Ita...
Its definitely a complicated and messy idea. Many Americans would essentially only consider a complete change of constitution as a "new government", meanwhile in certain language in parliamentary structures there is a common phrase of "creating a new government" when an election takes place. Neither idea is really wrong, they're just coming from different perspectives. If you're using the same kind of terminology, th…
So it's the combination of PM (Mario Draghi right now) and Ministers, appointed by the head of State (that is now Sergio Mattarella)
We had 67 of them in 75 years.
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Quoting Adam Curtis from The Power of Nighmares: > In the past, politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this, but their power and authority came from the optimistic visions they offered their people. Those dreams failed and today people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life, but now they have discovered a new rol…
> They had a great 20 year run on the terrorism narrative, but they need a new nightmare, and they’ve apparently settled on child predators. just a second, we've got the new Russia - Ukraine nightmare.
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It's funny because in this regard, The Netherlands is actually trying to do better and change the laws to allow mutually consenting teens to do this stuff (still tentative) and punish blackmail, prostitution (edit: of minors), minor-adult sexual interaction etc. Our general mentality also seems to be a lot more lax and supportive of kids being victims of their own mistakes rather than going "yeah, that's illegal, let…
To be clear upfront: mandatory scanning of private communication is a no go. And even child protection advocates, mostly do not demand this. So here really other interests might be leading the EC, which is bad However, particular servers in the Netherlands have been hosting a lot of CSAM and revenge porn type of material. The EU is increasingly becoming a major host for illegal and dangerous material. This is a reali…
One of those other solutions is simply teaching teens the potential consequences of these actions. One sibling linked to an article 10 years ago. This was about the time schools in The Netherlands were filled with lectures regarding lover boys, sexual and emotional blackmail, and more. Despite that, many would still put themselves in a position a malicious person could take advantage of them, but at least you're arming teens with information on which to act autonomously.
I simply doubt the EU's proposed solution would really help prevent that many cases. It might even drive the more rebellious teens into sections of the internet where the consequences are far higher. Which makes giving up all that privacy a pretty hefty price, for both minors and adults.
this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected
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> Don't worry... Unless you are going through a nasty divorce and you future ex starts throwing accusations of you keeping and constantly watching those videos.
Easy, then we'll just add additional tracking to everyone's personal devices that tells the government what is on your screen and for how long. For the children, of course! /s
Anyone who wants a dumb TV or an offline computer must be a pedophile. /s