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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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The world is full of crises created by government intervention: healthcare, housing, education, etc.

Wait. In what period of human existence did people live longer, have more access to plumbing, or have better literacy? The government caused all those things to go up

I can see where you're coming from with plumbing and literacy. Government monopolized water utilities and education.

But the greatest increases in life expectancy were from the late 1800s to the mid 1900s. The improvements have slowed since then, appearing to plateau in the last decade or so.

And it just so happens that in that time period, the government had way less control over the healthcare system in the US.

Literacy is actually decreasing in recent years, as education spending by the government increases. Higher education has never been more expensive, thanks to guaranteed student loans provided by the federal government.

If you're more talking about developing countries, then the correlation is far stronger with level of economic development than with government involvement. In fact government involvement is often inversely correlated, slowing development.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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"Protecting kids" is a load of nonsense. It's just a convenient excuse and sounds much better than "we want to read your private stuff".

I don't quite understand, to what end? This is clearly a good step towards authoritarianism, but then what? People "disappearing" and more population control? The world sometimes seems so ridiculous I can't believe it.

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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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> Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. Indeed, in the words of the previous President of the European Commission: “ We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step un…

I can finally wear my Zensursula t-shirt again! https://www.getdigital.de/zensursula.html

Relevant for the readers who are somewhat fluent in German:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4vbdusj7Pk

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/system/files/2022-05/Propo... This contains the text of the requirements. Search for "Grooming" and you'll find some particularly horrifying chunks regarding "scanning of conversations for content." Plus, not only known existing CSAM, but also identifying new material. Because don't you trust machine learning that can't tell the difference between a cat and a ferret to know what is a…

Curious. I'd much rather these resources were spent on combating offline child sexual abuse.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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But the OP's sentiment still stands. Repetitional damage, stress, potential job loss, etc. just because you wanted to take a picture of your daughter or son in the bathtub playing with a rubber duck to send to your grandparents. I mean my parents still have those pictures in photo albums and they have been shown multiple times to family friends or relatives - nobody has obvs objected - but there is nobody from a 3rd…

> But the OP's sentiment still stands. Repetitional damage, stress, potential job loss This has never happened though! Can you point me to a case in EU where a parent took a photo of their children and got in trouble? So it's kinda like saying: but OP is right, we should all live underground, because aliens could fire lasers on us!

> Can you point me to a case ... took

I think the idea is that of the risk posed by automation within inadequate workflows.

Which, incidentally, is a case-relevant reality in areas you yourself mentioned. And similarly, following there have been case-relevant realities of «repetitional damage, stress, potential job loss» - in other areas that still have caused troubles to citizens after inadequate workflows, and sometimes even owing to imperfect automation.

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> Nobody can smash your door here without proper authorization from a court. This is an urban legend. My country Germany often prides itself to have protections here but that is a lie. In reality courts are overwhelmed so they basically sign any request the executive brings in. We had that for a twitter comment that hit the news a few month ago, but we also have that for people buying flowerpots online because they w…

> Surveillance is again very strong here. Now imagine elsewhere. Anyway: this has nothing to do with what I wrote, which is not an urban legend at all! Doors have rarely (never AFAIK in my country) been smashed by the police, not even in those cases where there were actual terrorists inside the building. Because our police forces are not trained to be war soldiers and are not armed to the teeth.

> elsewhere

Have you noticed the tendency scattered around the world to freeze citizens' financial assets before trials?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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> “becoming ever more reliable with time, as the algorithms learn“ I mean considering Amazon has put in kajillions of dollars on their learning algorithms and yet now in 2022 those algorithms still aren’t even smart enough to figure out trivial stuff, like that I’m probably not gonna buy a second air fryer immediately after buying a first one, and stop advertising them to me. What hope do we have for this new algorit…

>like that I’m probably not gonna buy a second air fryer immediately after buying a first one, this comes up all the time, but one of the primary indicators that {person} will buy a second {item} of type {X} increases when they have already bought one. However it does seem to me that I have never done this, even when I am unsatisfied with item, I soldier on for at least a year or two before saying aw screw it, perhap…

Yeah that is a pretty naive algorithm though, especially if you can explain it in one sentence. After all that, that’s the best algorithm they got? If you buy one thing you might buy two. Pretty sure most of us could implement that in a line or two of code and save billions in research. And even if this whole research exercise was necessary to discover this fact, it’s still not a “smart” algorithm if there are a ton of false positives.

And it’s still a relatively trivial use case—-if it comes to potentially miring someone in legal issues, I hope the “algorithm” can do better than that.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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The European Snowden was Snowden. The UK is a part of the Five Eyes and Snowden was stationed in Switzerland while doing mass surveillance.

> The UK is a part of the Five Eyes UK is not EU > Snowden was stationed in Switzerland Switzerland is not EU

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