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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by Dracophoenix »

unethical_ban wrote: post #28
boredumb wrote: post #4

Now that covid is waning, we're back to 'the kids' in order to allow governments absurd amounts of power over individuals. None of these excuses are put forth in order to further the argument, it's to create a trap for detractors and be able to label them as evil people, killing grandma, hating kids, supporting terror, etc etc.

Just for the record, one can believe in Covid restrictions of 2020 and also believe this CSAM action is absurd and anti-privacy. Equating them is shallow at best and misleading at worst.

I can't speak for Europe, but in the United States one can't unless he is unaware of his being a hypocrite.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by _fat_santa »

martimarkov wrote: post #130

I'm wondering what about deep-fake CP? With the above narrative about protecting the kids - that would not be kids harmed. Isn't that just going to then generate insane amounts of deep-fake CP if you can't get prosecuted and the abusers learn that? My assumption is that you can't but I might be wrong - haven't read the whole document. So correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm probably wrong here but don't you need a ton of real underlying content to make a deepfake? Like the reason you only see convincing ones of world leaders and celebrities is that they have their face out there a ton.

By that logic you would need a ton of actual CP to create CP deepfakes.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by Dracophoenix »

RC_ITR wrote: post #42
unethical_ban wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for the record, one can believe in Covid restrictions of 2020 and also believe this CSAM action is absurd and anti-privacy. Equating them is shallow at best and misleading at worst.

When you're a hammer (libertarian) everything looks like a nail (bad faith crisis management to justify to government overreach). The problem is the world is full of crises that need government support, the question is which do we want addressed?

What about in the case where many of these issues are almost always nails regardless of how convoluted or complicated they may look others?

Andrew Cuomo falsified and hid information regarding his mismanagement of elder care facilities. Hong Kong has been placed under de facto martial law by the CCP with the goal of crushing dissent. Various governments and government organizations have spied on their citizens through COVID tracking apps or secret purchases from databrokers. Barrack Obama recently delivered a speech at Stanford calling for an end to free speech on the net under the guise of "regulating social media" and "stopping the spread of disinformation".

Why is sacrificing rights to governments still considered a necessary solution to problems that governments create themselves? Have you learned nothing from history or those who lived through it long enough to write on the subject like Orwell and Arendt?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by SamPatt »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #113
DontMindit wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions

> EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions that's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my entire life. Care to explain what's your rationale behind it? Where's, for example, the European Snowden? Where's proof of EU spying not only allied leaders, which is already bad enough, but the citizens of the country they work for?

The European Snowden was Snowden.

The UK is a part of the Five Eyes and Snowden was stationed in Switzerland while doing mass surveillance.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by boppo1 »

thenaturalist wrote: post #119
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #32

The EU is honestly just so awful when it comes to anything relating to technology. The number of insane proposals I’ve seen from them over the years… It’s like they’ve got the worst political takes on tech from each EU country and smushed them together into a big ball of awfulness.

Care to share some details? When it comes to privacy invasion the EU has been a champion in curbing massively intrusive corporate practices for years now. Some of it is awful yes, but other high visibility projects have been amazing. I'm glad to be European when I look at the insanity that is the American tracking and personal data brokers industry. I recommend a recent John Oliver on this: https://www.youtube.com/wa…

So private entities can't snoop on me, just thee government?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by boppo1 »

hedora wrote: post #50
Syonyk wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix, in "few users per server, federated" sort of deployments, seems it would accomplish a lot of this.

Isn't the idea to ban client hardware capable of running such software?

What?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by ipaddr »

NoraCodes wrote: post #15
Ambolia wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, at this point of the internet, the fact that most people have decided to depend on big platforms and not develop properly all the distributed alternatives available for many years, it's hard to blame anybody except ourselves.

I don't agree. "Ourselves"? Did I have a choice in my entire social network choosing to use Facebook and Twitter? Did I have a choice in LinkedIn being my best option for getting employment? No. I talk about this stuff all the time. I blog [1] about it and complain about it to my family and friends until it gets annoying. And it _does not matter_ how much individual effort I put into this because people have no incen…

Yes, because linkedin is not the best way to get a job. Jobs are the one area you have better choices. Indeed is much bigger anyhow.

For social networks did you have a choice? Yes but your choices are join the network others are on, get others on networks you want or make friends on networks no one you know is on. This has always been like this.. if the group is going to a movie.. you can tag along, you can try to influence what movie, you can throw a party and get others to drop the movie idea.

In your case I would pick new friends and become the leader of that pack. Family I would go visit..

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by SamPatt »

cleandreams wrote: post #24

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This is not about efficiency. This is about trust.

We do not trust these enormous organizations we call governments with unlimited power, because they then become a threat to society itself. The 20th century is evidence of the threat of centralized power, particularly over the control of information and communication.

So when a government claims the power to read all conversations in order to prevent X from happening, X is irrelevant. I don't even care to hear their justification. They cannot be given this power. It's an existential threat to a free society.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by martimarkov »

_fat_santa wrote: post #132
martimarkov wrote: post #130

I'm wondering what about deep-fake CP? With the above narrative about protecting the kids - that would not be kids harmed. Isn't that just going to then generate insane amounts of deep-fake CP if you can't get prosecuted and the abusers learn that? My assumption is that you can't but I might be wrong - haven't read the whole document. So correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm probably wrong here but don't you need a ton of real underlying content to make a deepfake? Like the reason you only see convincing ones of world leaders and celebrities is that they have their face out there a ton. By that logic you would need a ton of actual CP to create CP deepfakes.

I mean more generating like artificial humans: https://boredhumans.com/faces.php

Some some tech like the above. Maybe the term deep-fake is not the correct one

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by dadofsixmoold »

b-x wrote: post #74

Their true motives are far from protecting kids. Otherwise, they would install security cameras inside all corners in all churches in the continent, and, more importantly, enforce bodycam on pastors 24/7.

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