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Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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RobertRoberts wrote: post #17
JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny thing is that I guarantee a lot of the parents in support of dumb shit like this lose their minds at sexual education classes in public schools. Just shows that most people don't have the IQ necessary to be competent parents.

Which do you prefer? 1) We should have school districts teaching _Republican_ ideals because the local schools support it. 2) We should have school districts teaching _Democrat_ ideals because the local schools support it. 3) No to both 1 and 2. You simply can't have it both ways, therefore the reasonable option is to say no to both.

2) is actually "We should have school districts _not_ teaching _Republican_ ideals because the local schools support it.

3) is then a contradiction, in that there is nothing that could be taught, since everything is either republican ideals or not-republican ideals

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by [deleted] »

InitialLastName wrote: post #14
threatofrain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of parents don't want unapproved media to reach their kids. If something like this passes, it's going to be at least because of parental support.

In that case, they are free to take responsibility for the media their children have access to.

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by filoleg »

colechristensen wrote: post #90
filoleg wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or are you assuming a state court can't fine a social network? Social network: ok, we are blocking users from that jurisdiction from being able to access our product to comply with recently instated state legislation, please don't use a VPN to do so wink wink . Plenty of people (yes, even those who aren't the most technologically advanced average users) have been using VPNs for a similar purpose to access Netflix s…

You're imagining that a social network would be willing to geofence off an entire state in order to not comply with a fairly straightforward to implement regulation. Doesn't sound like something which would be honoring the fiduciary duty to investors required by leadership, leaving all that money on the table, or something that wouldn't be worth the calculus of cutting off an entire state to avoid losing a portion of…

> You're imagining that a social network would be willing to geofence off an entire state in order to not comply with a fairly straightforward to implement regulation.

I mean, the company can comply, and users can go around those restrictions by lying to the company. Whether the company decides to geofence or comply, it doesn't affect how enforceable this specific law would be at all. Users can go around it with equal ease in either case (as long as real identity verification for online accounts doesn't enter the equation).

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by pessimizer »

ipnon wrote: post #29
raulgalera wrote: post #18

how are they even planning on enforcing this?

These old farts couldn't even sign in to Facebook without technical support. Do you think they understand even a glimmer of the technical ramifications of their proposed law? Usually when laws like this fail for technical reasons, they try to compensate the embarrassment by hammering harder with the penalties.

They know exactly how to do it. They can just hire people on this board, and in two years you'll barely remember when you could visit a website without an Apple/Android phone linked to your Real ID.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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aasasd wrote: post #80

> the bill only applies to social media platforms with more that 1M “account holders” (defined as people who access a “social media account,” an undefined term) “operating in Minnesota.” I'm always baffled by these nonsensical and arbitrary cutoffs. Obviously the proper approach is to define a function, either linear or logarithmic. In this case it's a reverse proportion: if you serve 500000 people in Minnesota, you…

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by mbreese »

aasasd wrote: post #80

> the bill only applies to social media platforms with more that 1M “account holders” (defined as people who access a “social media account,” an undefined term) “operating in Minnesota.” I'm always baffled by these nonsensical and arbitrary cutoffs. Obviously the proper approach is to define a function, either linear or logarithmic. In this case it's a reverse proportion: if you serve 500000 people in Minnesota, you…

The point of the threshold isn’t to tell how many Minnesotan kids can be on a service. It’s to limit the burden of filtering traffic for Minnesota to companies that should be large enough to manage it. A small social network may not have the engineering resources to devote to doing this, or it might be cost prohibitive. This threshold mitigates those complicated arguments to avoid the filtering.

Also, a new social network wouldn’t be as likely to be seen as a “threat” until it got to a certain scale.

(I’m not trying to defend the bill, just what I think the the rationale is for the thresholds used)

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by taurusnoises »

acover wrote: post #98
encoderer wrote: post #33

Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…

Trends in teen suicide don't seem to have changed that much. 1991-2017 https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/suicidal-teens 2012-2020 https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/health-of-wom...

Not sure what you're looking at. There is a clear, sourced, and cited upward trend in teen suicides between 2012 and 2019.
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