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Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by colechristensen »

encoderer wrote: post #33

Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…

Why isn't it enforceable?

State attorney general notices his kid's social media app is giving algorithmic instead of chronological results, subpoenas social networks for number of under-18s in Minnesota, files charges, court sets up enormous fine.

Which part of this process is impossible?

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by warning26 »

chomp wrote: post #13

>The bill would eliminate minors’ access to any algorithmically generated navigation aids, such as “top content” and “hot items” lists. It would also eliminate home pages that are algorithmically organized, whether personalized to individual users or not, which would be replaced by a list of items presented chronologically (presumably in reverse chronological order if allowed because chronological order prioritizes t…

Purely chronological feed? No "suggested" content? Sign me up! Can we mandate this for all ages?

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by basisword »

joshstrange wrote: post #5

Anyone voting for this is clearly not fit to hold their position. Aside from the stupidity of thinking this is enforceable, it's hamfisted and misguided. When they propose such open-ended legislation there should be an ability for an outside party to make every single one of them fill out a survey of "Would this be allowed/disallowed under the new law?" with a bunch of examples. If the people who voted for it don't h…

>> When they propose such open-ended legislation there should be an ability for an outside party to make every single one of them fill out a survey of "Would this be allowed/disallowed under the new law?"

You claim the lawmakers are too stupid to understand how tech works, but you're completely failing to understand how the law works. It's rarely (if ever) black and white. It's the job of the courts to interpret and decide what is allowed/disallowed under the law.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by warning26 »

thethirdone wrote: post #48
manicdee wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet here I am deliberately avoiding the features that Minnesota wants to ban. There is nothing hamfisted and misguided about this, the point is simply to ban the social media equivalent of casinos where the entire point of certain features is to stop you leaving by distracting you from the rest of your life.

Do you think HN would be banned for minors according to this law? I think it would, and I don't think HNs algorithm for ranking is abusive or toxic at all.

This is a valid point -- HN's algorithm is one of the few that is good at discouraging flamewars without being explicitly chronological.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by pokstad »

thethirdone wrote: post #48
manicdee wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet here I am deliberately avoiding the features that Minnesota wants to ban. There is nothing hamfisted and misguided about this, the point is simply to ban the social media equivalent of casinos where the entire point of certain features is to stop you leaving by distracting you from the rest of your life.

Do you think HN would be banned for minors according to this law? I think it would, and I don't think HNs algorithm for ranking is abusive or toxic at all.

I think minors joining social media or forums should require parent permission. There’s too many weirdos out there, and too much self harm from sharing too much information.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by xwdv »

warning26 wrote: post #52
chomp wrote: post #13

>The bill would eliminate minors’ access to any algorithmically generated navigation aids, such as “top content” and “hot items” lists. It would also eliminate home pages that are algorithmically organized, whether personalized to individual users or not, which would be replaced by a list of items presented chronologically (presumably in reverse chronological order if allowed because chronological order prioritizes t…

Purely chronological feed? No "suggested" content? Sign me up! Can we mandate this for all ages?

Why would you want this exactly? Fixing the problems with social media so it becomes more appealing to use… so that you end up using it more?

Why not just go outside?

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #9
threatofrain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of parents don't want unapproved media to reach their kids. If something like this passes, it's going to be at least because of parental support.

Funny thing is that I guarantee a lot of the parents in support of dumb shit like this lose their minds at sexual education classes in public schools. Just shows that most people don't have the IQ necessary to be competent parents.

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by foobarian »

chomp wrote: post #13

>The bill would eliminate minors’ access to any algorithmically generated navigation aids, such as “top content” and “hot items” lists. It would also eliminate home pages that are algorithmically organized, whether personalized to individual users or not, which would be replaced by a list of items presented chronologically (presumably in reverse chronological order if allowed because chronological order prioritizes t…

Before they lock in the language, could we talk them into mandating static HTML... pretty please? :-)

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by pokstad »

colechristensen wrote: post #51
encoderer wrote: post #33

Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…

Why isn't it enforceable? State attorney general notices his kid's social media app is giving algorithmic instead of chronological results, subpoenas social networks for number of under-18s in Minnesota, files charges, court sets up enormous fine. Which part of this process is impossible?

If GDPR is possible, this is also possible.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by encoderer »

colechristensen wrote: post #51
encoderer wrote: post #33

Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…

Why isn't it enforceable? State attorney general notices his kid's social media app is giving algorithmic instead of chronological results, subpoenas social networks for number of under-18s in Minnesota, files charges, court sets up enormous fine. Which part of this process is impossible?

Kids will lie about their age. They already do. You aren't supposed to sign up until you are 13. There are lots of pre-teens on Social Media.

Stopping that would mean a KYC process for every social media signup. I don't think that works either.

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