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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Video of the landing, it's very nicely done. https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1524410837414391809

To my noob eye, it seems that the person did absolutely no pitching to shave off the speed. That's the hard part, in my very limited experience with simulators. Dunno if this plane does usually need pitching, but I guess they were very lucky to have enough of the runway.

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I’m pretty video games saved my life while driving, too. Once I was driving down the highway at 70 miles per hour and the car in front of me stopped on a dime. I always maintain a good distance from the car in front of me but I knew for sure if I would have just hit the breaks I would have hit him. I wound up swerving into the next lane with a reaction time of under a second only to drive by a six car pile up which i…

You talked about reaction time, but not situational awareness. Thankfully there was not a car next to you that you would have otherwise swerved into.

To be honest I didn’t know if a car was on my right, but a front end collision is the most dangerous car crash you can get into. I still think it was a safe choice.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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You talked about reaction time, but not situational awareness. Thankfully there was not a car next to you that you would have otherwise swerved into.

Yeah. Parent commenter didn't notice the six car pileup until after they'd passed it.

There was a truck that was a part of it. I’ll bring my drone next time I’m driving.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

I have 30 minutes and 2 touch-and-go’s in my log book. I suck at Microsoft Flight Simulator. In 30 minutes of the instructor sitting next to me, I successfully landed and took off in a Cessna 172, learned to trim power, elevators and flaps, learned how to transmit and how to “squawk ident”, and what channel to use in emergencies (1202 IIRC). Operating the airplane was very straightforward. Without the instructor or s…

1200 is null as i understand i think 7200 is emergency?

as a curious stem type who used to fly with other curious stem types back in the day, i remember asking for all the details and being given them.

edit: 12xx is vfr no code assigned with various modifiers. 7700 declare emergency. 7600 radio out. 7500 mutiny.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

They're in a cessna, with one other person piloting. I think spending a significant time around aviation is a given, but I also wouldn't call that flying experience.

It's not like being in the cabin in a commercial airliner, you'd see the pilot doing these things, and honestly as far as plane interfaces go, the Cessna is not bad.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...

Here's the instrument panel. While I wouldn't say every untrained person can just "figure it out", I think there are a decent number who would at least be able to get an altitude, heading, and vertical speed reading out of that. Especially if you'd spent some time in the last 30 minutes looking at them while your pilot friend is focused on flying.

I've spent a signficant amount of time flying cessnas in MS flight sim and XPlane, but I wouldn't assume that would automatically carry over if I ended up in a situation like that, and I certainly would err on the side of caution and risk ATC thinking I had less knowledge than risk overstating it and risk something going wrong because they end up thinking I'd be confident performing an ILS approach or something.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 30 minutes and 2 touch-and-go’s in my log book. I suck at Microsoft Flight Simulator. In 30 minutes of the instructor sitting next to me, I successfully landed and took off in a Cessna 172, learned to trim power, elevators and flaps, learned how to transmit and how to “squawk ident”, and what channel to use in emergencies (1202 IIRC). Operating the airplane was very straightforward. Without the instructor or s…

1200 is null as i understand i think 7200 is emergency? as a curious stem type who used to fly with other curious stem types back in the day, i remember asking for all the details and being given them. edit: 12xx is vfr no code assigned with various modifiers. 7700 declare emergency. 7600 radio out. 7500 mutiny.

1200 is VFR. That doesn’t mean null. 7500, 7600, and 7700 are used for various emergency purposes. These are transponder codes, not radio channels. It’s a code returned when the transponder is painted with interrogative radar.

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post #354
post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 30 minutes and 2 touch-and-go’s in my log book. I suck at Microsoft Flight Simulator. In 30 minutes of the instructor sitting next to me, I successfully landed and took off in a Cessna 172, learned to trim power, elevators and flaps, learned how to transmit and how to “squawk ident”, and what channel to use in emergencies (1202 IIRC). Operating the airplane was very straightforward. Without the instructor or s…

1200 is null as i understand i think 7200 is emergency? as a curious stem type who used to fly with other curious stem types back in the day, i remember asking for all the details and being given them. edit: 12xx is vfr no code assigned with various modifiers. 7700 declare emergency. 7600 radio out. 7500 mutiny.

1200 is VFR, which generally means “I’m flying visually and don’t need ATC help”. If you’re squawked 1200 you show up as VFR on their screen, but you still show up. That doesn’t mean null. 7500, 7600, and 7700 are used for various emergency purposes, with 7700 being the most common, and almost always accompanying a mayday or panpan. Those are transponder codes, not radio channels. It’s a code returned by your equipment when the transponder is painted with interrogative radar.

0000 is closer to “null”, but still isn’t quite. 1000 also has some “null” like properties when it comes to ADS-B. Note that what I’m saying is North American centric and not necessarily ICAO nor other areas, which can differ somewhat.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

It was a cessna with two passengers. I would assume that the passenger at minimum has a pilot/ flight enthusiast in their life.

> I would assume that the passenger at minimum has a pilot/ flight enthusiast in their life.

Or mostly uninterested spouse.

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