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Re: Flutter 3

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Post by clumsysmurf »

mattsolle wrote: post #67
the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

I thought I would hate Dart since it seems like such a bland language but after working in it for a year and a half its easily one of my favorites. Its straightforward and tailored directly for Flutter's use-cases. It feels like it doesn't come with a lot of the baggage you get with other, longer-lived languages. It is also incredibly readable without hiding how it works behind decades of syntactic sugar. All that to…

I was enjoying the frog book (The Dart Programming Language, Gilad Bracha & Erik Meiker) but that was 2015, and now very out of date. Its strange to see there is no up to date book from major publisher, like the Rust book at https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

akmarinov wrote: post #35
ushakov wrote: post #3

did they fix the scrolling on iOS?

Not yet, but they have a beta thing that you can enable to smooth that out > Impeller precompiles a smaller, simpler set of shaders at engine build time so that they won’t compile while an app is running; this has been a major source of jank in Flutter.

if they disable the shader jit it will result in much worse performance overall

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by michaelbrave »

the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

I was thinking MAUI(rebranded Xamarin) might be somewhat useful with .NET6 coming out. I've been playing with it the last week or so, it's quite nice.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by ttcbj »

the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

I have been developing in Flutter for a few years now, and I really enjoy the ecosystem. It is the only mobile development environment I have every really enjoyed using.

When I started, flutter worked on mobile, and web support was in beta. Now, my app works on iOS/Android/MacOs/Web. If you are a small developer with limited resources for cross-platform development, its an amazing environment.

As for Dart, it is actually one of the things I like most about flutter. I really like the parameter passing/naming syntax. It is flexible and expressive. If you are looking for something that will challenge all your basic assumptions about what a language should be, you'll be disappointed. But if you come from any c-syntax background, you will pick it up almost instantly, and find a lot of nice ways to make code more concise and maintainable that previous languages.

In my experience, Flutter is a great environment for getting things done with limited resources.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

endisneigh wrote: post #61

Honestly I think browsers (desktop and mobile) will implement native apis faster than these things will implement native apis. TLDR: JavaScript and browser apis will win in the end.

It's already the case, Cordova/Ionic has much more native plugins than react native and flutter combined! https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=ecosystem%3Acordova It's only a matter of time before people realize how superior Ionic is, and I can't wait for people to realize Ionic is faster and more energy efficient too! https://ionicframework.com/blog/ionic-vs-react-native-perfor...

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by skybrian »

sph wrote: post #59
the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

I keep hearing this, but none of the cross platform apps I run use Flutter. It's all Electron and Qt. I don't think I've ever seen Flutter in the wild.

They just launched cross-platform desktop support today. Who would be using it for desktop apps like Electron?

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by samwillis »

the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

> Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere.

I understand that argument but 100% disagree. The web is the cross platform that runs everywhere (as in in a browser or webview). True it has many issues and some forms of it (electron) are not ideal for some use case but I believe it’s a better platform than flutter in almost every way.

You say “true” cross platform and could argue that the web isn’t “true” cross platform. But really is anything?

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

pavlov wrote: post #45
lazypenguin wrote: post #10

I have an irrational annoyance when projects claim to support "desktop UI" but then only have the most trivial of widgets commonly used in desktop applications. Where is my tree view? Data grid view? Charts? Native file dialog window? From my perspective, while I'm sure Flutter is wonderful, it fits squarely in the "mobile" UI toolkit and "basic" desktop application category.

I'd love to see a "Back to the Future" desktop UI toolkit that has roughly the capabilities of AppKit circa 2003 but in a modern language, clean unified API, cross-platform, with seamless native UI integration, and of course not carrying hundreds of megabytes of Chromium gunk in each app like Electron does.

not carrying hundreds of megabytes of Chromium gunk in each app like Electron does. this problem has been solved multiple times, see e.g. Tauri
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