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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by hkwerf »

AlbertoGP wrote: post #61
grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

> Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. Indeed, in the words of the previous President of the European Commission: “ We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step un…

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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by hkwerf »

jotm wrote: post #65
alaricus wrote: post #13

"Protecting kids" is a load of nonsense. It's just a convenient excuse and sounds much better than "we want to read your private stuff".

I don't quite understand, to what end? This is clearly a good step towards authoritarianism, but then what? People "disappearing" and more population control? The world sometimes seems so ridiculous I can't believe it.

In the end it may just be about (corrupted) power. Those who are in power can use the data they gather through surveillance to stay in power, even without "disappearing". It's sufficient to be able to identify whistleblowers and have that be known in order for fewer people to blow the whistle.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by hkwerf »

sysadm1n wrote: post #9

> And it becomes obvious that child abuse websites stay up longer Versus > That is to enable the new agency to undermine end-to-end encryption by mandating client-side scanning This article needs to be clear about what these agencies are after: E2E encrypted messaging apps, or 'websites'. Because a messaging app is not a 'website'.

It's even worse. In Germany, police and agencies responsible to prosecute pedophiles that are active on those websites supposedly do not take those websites down, even after they gained control, at least in some cases.

> In German: https://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/archiv/2021/Kindesmissbrauc...

I remember another article, which I can't find right now, with an interview, where a spokesperson explicitly said that taking down the sites is not their responsibility.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by [deleted] »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #90
dijit wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so you’re aware. That is actually illegal and those teens sending pictures to other teens can (and are) prosecuted.

This might not be universally true soon. The Netherlands proposed changing the law so teens are okay sexting one another as long as there is mutual consent and it's not to make money[0]. However, it has been stalled for a few years now. (I initially thought it was accepted, but now things are forecasted to be 2024). I also suspect that despite it being illegal, very little action is undertaken while the above require…

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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by grnmamba »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #75
grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

Is that a rhetorical question?

I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by b-x »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #89
b-x wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because that's how you protect people privacy, right??? I'm not promoting such practices. In fact, I was just trying to use the legislators logic: if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan, let them start their policing where the predators are most likely to be found instead of targeting the entire population.

> if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan, they would try to solve it as they see fit. legislators are voted by the people, with many different ideas. they aren't a caste disconnected by the rest of the World. especially in EU institutions where is much harder to make a career over lobbying for some local interest. Worst politicians in Europe work in national parliaments. > let them start their…

> they would try to solve it as they see fit.

It seems for them the solution is to destroy privacy for the entire population.

> Please, don't post simplistic vox populi stuff.

Please ask this to the European Commision instead.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

a-dub wrote: post #87
BlargMcLarg wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for The Netherlands, this is what used to happen (and I still hope it is). School educated on various topics regarding power dynamics in relationships and the problems that can spawn forth from it. Of course, some teens are going to get tempted and do stupid things either way. Imagine the least innocent thing you know about your peers back in those days, many will have likely been tempted to go off the deepe…

wait, what? they taught children pedagogically about how not to be manipulated or controlled in a general sense? what an incredibly enlightened idea! was it any good? did it work?

I suspect it worked in the sense that some teens took precautions. I don't believe my classmates had anything bad happen to them, but a fair few of them definitely put themselves into situations that could have been bad if the other party was a little more malicious (power imbalance, blackmail, nudes spread, etc.) I also suspect that what I heard was only the tip of the iceberg of their actual experimentations.

Like I said, some teens are still going to do stupid stuff despite being warned. It's difficult to give them both autonomy, security and privacy when they won't heed warnings. I like to believe not invading their privacy and simply teaching them is enough, but some others might feel the EU's need to be a universal helicopter parent to be justified when the consequences are too high.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by Abroszka »

grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

EU has nothing to do with it. Just look at UK, outside the EU still doing the same thing. It's a global trend. It's more or less irrelevant what kind of country you live in, people are pushing to end E2E encryption.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by aasasd »

grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

If you replace ‘EU’ with ‘US’ in that comment, its internal logic and validity does not change whatsoever.

So: “You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the US. There is no middle ground.”

I would also guess that you could substitute the EU with any single EU country with the same result. Abolish Germany, abolish France, abolish Italy, abolish all parliaments, there's no middle ground.

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