Honestly I think browsers (desktop and mobile) will implement native apis faster than these things will implement native apis.
TLDR: JavaScript and browser apis will win in the end.
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#62Does Flutter have a complete Material UI components implementation? I'd prefer to use Flutter for multi-platform support over learning new Android Compose and figuring out what to do for other platforms later.
Yes, there are two default widget packages, Cupertino and Material.
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#63I have an irrational annoyance when projects claim to support "desktop UI" but then only have the most trivial of widgets commonly used in desktop applications. Where is my tree view? Data grid view? Charts? Native file dialog window? From my perspective, while I'm sure Flutter is wonderful, it fits squarely in the "mobile" UI toolkit and "basic" desktop application category.
This is a big gripe I have with WinUI. How on earth do you create a desktop UI framework that lacks something as basic as a tableview/data grid… it's only slightly less bad than a UI framework not having a button widget. One should not need to import a third party dependency or write your own for something so basic.
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#64Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…
I keep hearing this, but none of the cross platform apps I run use Flutter. It's all Electron and Qt. I don't think I've ever seen Flutter in the wild.
Or have you, and you just couldn't tell?
(I personally don't know if it's this good, but it's plausible)
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
For accessibility they create a separate DOM tree just for screen readers.
Are there declarative and performant ways to synchronize a canvas with a DOM tree? Maybe the answer here is obvious but this seems like quite a bit of overhead, both for developers and the browser.
Do they need to be synchronized? I can’t imagine that a screen reader would be sensitive to millisecond-level discrepancies between canvas updates and DOM updates.
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#66Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…
> Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere.
Do you really want cross platform everywhere? You might want it but what you inevitably get is something that is huge and just okay everywhere instead of something truly great anywhere. Is that a trade off you are happy with as a user?
That said, I do happily use a couple of cross platform applications. PyCharm and SublimeText which are great and Fusion 360 which is powerful but awful to use.
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#67Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…
I thought I would hate Dart since it seems like such a bland language but after working in it for a year and a half its easily one of my favorites. Its straightforward and tailored directly for Flutter's use-cases. It feels like it doesn't come with a lot of the baggage you get with other, longer-lived languages. It is also incredibly readable without hiding how it works behind decades of syntactic sugar. All that to say, I definitely see how it can be disliked and I also disliked it when I started working with it but it definitely grew on me.
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#68What are big and highly used apps that use Flutter?
Canonical have specified it as the default development tool for their apps (e.g. the Ubuntu installer)
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#69Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…
I've had to bounce around from Mac, Windows and Linux for work, the main programs I use everyday are all Electron based (Postman, VS Code, Spotify etc), they all behave basically the same just everything is slower in Windows on my laptop. Egui (immediate mode GUI) and Tauri (like Electron but Rust backend) have worked well cross platform just messing around with them, but I haven't used any big apps yet to know for sure.
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#70Does Flutter have a complete Material UI components implementation? I'd prefer to use Flutter for multi-platform support over learning new Android Compose and figuring out what to do for other platforms later.
I'm not sure I can say it's complete but it's better than Android in my experience. There's also more built for you already, like button styles and page layouts.