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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
All planes are required to have the original POH onboard. However those don't really tell you how to fly the plane it's more focused on things like Vspeeds minimum flap extension speeds etc..
That varies based on the certification rules. My older 182 only had to have the operating limitations and weight and balance info (“O+W” in ARROW), but they did not have to be original. My later year A36, I believe needs the original AFM/POH. (In any case, I do carry it.) If you didn’t know how to fly, you couldn’t read enough of the book to figure it out before the aircraft departed controlled flight (if not on at l…
I'm also an owner of an older 182 (1966 - 182K) I agree with you the POH won't really teach someone enough about the aircraft to fly it let alone operate the radios.
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man I'm making a big assumption here but for someone who hasn't experienced a plane crashing into their home you seem to have a lot of angst for something that doesn't affect you in the scheme of things. Are you self aware enough to ask yourself if you're foisting your own baggage onto the shoulders of people and things you view as outsiders? Let me be the voice of reason here, my man. You're the only person that has…
FWIW, your entire comment is an ad hominem fallacy. You must ignore the person and focus on their argument in order to argue rationally. > doesn't affect you in the scheme of things. I have subsonic hearing and I live in a rural area, not particularly near any small or large airport. What drives me nuts are diesel school buses (something about the low frequencies) and those really slow single prop planes that seem to…
For one thing, for remote communities, small planes are an absolute necessity, not simply for recreation. You've lumped together all small aircraft with hobby flying.
That aside, I think your environmental argument against hobby flying is interesting, but this other chip you have on your shoulder regarding "entitlement" and "the elderly" and "entertainment" people isn't very persuasive.
Dismissing something as "just entertainment for entitled people" is silly. Hobby flying is far from the only environmentally damaging thing that humans do only for entertainment.
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
“signed off by his/her/zir/their instructor to operate” What does “zir” mean? I’ve seen it around but can’t remember where.
It's a phrase Greenspun uses a lot on his blog, mocking excessive concern with gender pronouns. (In between a lot of interesting content, he constantly bangs on about 2 topics: how dumb he thinks liberals are, and how US divorce law discriminates against men.)
Somehow it's always family court with these guys.
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
> since I generally think people should be allowed to risk their own lives as they see fit. But what if your life was in danger because of this. Because it is, even if the risk to you and your loved ones is low, it is not zero. If there was good reason for accepting this risk, that would be one thing. But there simply is no other rational reason than thrill for flying a small plane around for a few hours and landing…
How many bystanders have died, or even injured, in hobby aircraft crashes?
I hear it happens with emergency beach landings especially—consequently they're somewhat of a last resort. Couldn't find a statistic though.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/02/sunbathers-kil...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatalities_from_aviati...
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#316Wow... They should make a movie about that. For you youngins out there... this is a joke, there were several Airport 7X movies (including an episode of The Incredible Hulk (Bill Bixby series) where Banner/The Hulk had to land a plane) in the 70's.
That is actually an interesting concept for the Hulk. In a small plane, if he were to go green he would immediately cause a crash so Banner would have to calmly listen to instructions while fighting the stress.
On the episode it was a passenger airliner but yeah :). iirc he hulked out at the last minute to apply more pressure to the brake peddle.
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#317Wow... They should make a movie about that. For you youngins out there... this is a joke, there were several Airport 7X movies (including an episode of The Incredible Hulk (Bill Bixby series) where Banner/The Hulk had to land a plane) in the 70's.
I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you.
I surely appreciate that
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pilot here: It could help with some familiarity but generally in MSFS you can get away with ignoring the gauges and just mess around. The tutorial might gloss over some of it. Having an unbelievable number of hours in MSFS when I was a kid ... landing a real plane is considerably harder and a ton of instruction time is just focused on getting you to land reliably. I finished my PPL in just over 40hrs which is close t…
Both your comments were "dead", you could maybe mail HN to have your account set to not be shadow banned.
How did you know that?
Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#319Sort of begs the question, why don't commercial airliners have remote-fly capabilities? Hook it through a hardware interlock and keep one pilot on call somewhere in the country at all times.
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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated
#320My dad (Air Force) said that sometimes a mechanic would decide he knew how to fly, and would take off in a military plane (this was long ago). They'd fly around a bit, and then realize they have no idea how to land. They'd get on the radio, and the tower would talk them down. Meet the mechanic on the runway, and escort him off to prison.
Variation of this story? https://fighterjetsworld.com/weekly-article/holdens-lightnin...
That story was about an accident. My dad's story was about a deliberate act, and it put the mechanic in prison.