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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Decently sized plane was stolen, did many loops, and flew around just fine for more than an hour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident All by a guy with zero flight experience but also credited playing video games

Bit of a caveat on that one, though: >About 1 hour and 15 minutes after takeoff, Russell died by intentionally crashing the aircraft on lightly populated Ketron Island in Puget Sound. I suppose it may not count if it was an intentional crash, but who knows if he would've landed it safely if he didn't want to crash it. Pretty interesting that he managed to pull off maneuvers like that without having any experience fly…

While I do not condone the actions of this guy - I have little doubt he could have landed the plane, given the proficiency he has shown. Unfortunately, after landing, life in prison awaited him. In a way, he was tasting the freedom of flight, for the first time, and for the last time. It has a certain poetic touch to it.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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> once people realise you're serious I know people joke around on guard, but, I have to imagine joking about that topic is rather taboo.

transmission on the emergency radio: "I'm sinking, I'm sinking!" responder: "What are you thinking about?"

Ah, the german coast guard!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I bet this was a guy raised on video games. I was about to make a joke about it but I'm actually serious. Once I, a former Houstonian with no experience driving on ice, was driving through the snowy mountains and lost control of my car. Instead of panicking, my video-game-induced laser focus kicked in and I calmly piloted the car until the wheels gained traction and I could park the car on the side of the road. But l…

Video game experience is absolutely better than no experience. On small general aviation planes, the feature set is quite minimal and most simulators will replicate all of it faithfully enough, so the only remaining thing is the “feel” of the plane which you can hopefully experience a bit during flight before landing. In contrast, a big passenger jet has insane amounts of different systems that need to be configured…

Flightgear did that with the airbus.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

Genuine question, is my experience playing Microsoft flight simulator any use in being able to answer those questions, because it certainly feels like I can say something sensible about them.

FWIW, I grew up playing 80s/90s flight sims and later went into the military and worked on planes and got the opportunity to use military flight simulators and was able to make my way around the cockpit and takeoff/land pretty much immediately.

I think my key for landing was learning flaps and throttle and getting a feel for stall speeds in sims.

Now, would I want to test that in an actual plane in a life and death emergency? Not really. But I'd wager my odds are good.

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Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

Pilot student here. I’m not floored at all, for two reasons: my own experience, and selection bias. I once maintained level on a Cessna equivalent with zero training besides video games (I loved flight simulators back in the late 90s), and a tiny bit of model flying (I flew little and crashed a lot). Maintaining altitude wasn’t trivial, but maintaining level was dead easy. I’m sure I could have managed a very slight…

I think doing this under pressure is what's most impressive.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Video game experience is absolutely better than no experience. On small general aviation planes, the feature set is quite minimal and most simulators will replicate all of it faithfully enough, so the only remaining thing is the “feel” of the plane which you can hopefully experience a bit during flight before landing. In contrast, a big passenger jet has insane amounts of different systems that need to be configured…

Decently sized plane was stolen, did many loops, and flew around just fine for more than an hour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident All by a guy with zero flight experience but also credited playing video games

fun fact: i was on a flight to seoul out of seatac that left only minutes before that. what a crazy experience to land in incheon to a flurry of texts asking about our safety and arrival.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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The braking distance at 70mph is a huge 75m, which is about 9 London buses. Add your reaction time, and do you aee why distances of over 100m between cars are slightly unrealistic?

In the event of a pileup, it doesn’t really matter how much distance you’ve left. If you end up hitting the car in front of you, you get cited for failure to maintain distance. Because, if you had left enough distance, you wouldn’t have hit the car in front of you. It doesn’t matter if you left 50, 75, or 100m. If you hit the car in front, you didn’t leave enough space. And the risk of someone else swerving into that…

> And the risk of someone else swerving into that gap doesn’t mean you’re not at fault, it just means you’re both wrong now.

Sounds a lot like 'climate change is your fault', because there is nothong I can personally do, you are just shifting the blame

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I've always said the reason we don't have flying cars yet is because people can't drive in 2D much less 3D. This gives me hope.

Isn’t 3D easier? There sure is a lot more room.

3D has the problem is that you can't just stop, wait and think if anything is totally weird. A self-driving car can pull over if it's confused, a self-flying plane can't.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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> once people realise you're serious I know people joke around on guard, but, I have to imagine joking about that topic is rather taboo.

transmission on the emergency radio: "I'm sinking, I'm sinking!" responder: "What are you thinking about?"

https://youtu.be/yR0lWICH3rY
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