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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

It was a cessna with two passengers. I would assume that the passenger at minimum has a pilot/ flight enthusiast in their life.

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> which has to be renewed every 12 months. That is simply insufficient. Introduce age to the standard and increase frequency of examinations with increasing age. And let's strongly discourage pilots over a certain age where reaction time, eye-sight and cognition is known to become more deficient. Yes, definitely let's discourage and restrict old people from operating dangerous machinery, no matter how rich and entitl…

age is in fact part of the standard...

I think 4 examinations a year for any pilot over 60 is not unreasonable. Because only one examination a year for a 70yo is definitely absurdly unreasonable.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Garmin's got a relatively new system called Autoland that is designed for this exact situation. It allows a plane to land simply by pushing one button. It will pick the nearest appropriate airport, communicate with ATC, and land the plane entirely on its own. It's pretty amazing technology: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/garmin-autoland-thi...

I've always said the reason we don't have flying cars yet is because people can't drive in 2D much less 3D. This gives me hope.

The real reason is that no one wants thousands of flying cars buzzing everywhere over a city.

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Video game experience is absolutely better than no experience. On small general aviation planes, the feature set is quite minimal and most simulators will replicate all of it faithfully enough, so the only remaining thing is the “feel” of the plane which you can hopefully experience a bit during flight before landing. In contrast, a big passenger jet has insane amounts of different systems that need to be configured…

I've played a bit of the new MSFS and flying the big jet (737?) is a completely different beast than flying the Cessna. There's so much automation that if you don't know what you're doing you can't even descend to land the plane (because it thinks you want to cruise and will fight you all the way down).

On the other hand, if you know what you're doing - and that is surprisingly little to know, it is a lot easier to land a 737 in MSFS2020 than a Cessna. ILS almost feels like cheating.

(But then, I'm a self-designated FlightSim enthusiast with several thousand hours of documented simulated flight time over the last 20 years, so ...)

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Sort of begs the question, why don't commercial airliners have remote-fly capabilities? Hook it through a hardware interlock and keep one pilot on call somewhere in the country at all times.

The FAA and industry are researching this as an option for future a/c due to pilot shortages.

A ground-based pilot would assist multiple a/c pilots on various tasks and planning and would be able to take over in an emergency.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I bet this was a guy raised on video games. I was about to make a joke about it but I'm actually serious. Once I, a former Houstonian with no experience driving on ice, was driving through the snowy mountains and lost control of my car. Instead of panicking, my video-game-induced laser focus kicked in and I calmly piloted the car until the wheels gained traction and I could park the car on the side of the road. But l…

This was probably easier than to refuel and successfully land in Top Gun on NES.

I like Top Gun on NES. It is better than SEGA's G-Loc and as fun as Afterburner.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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> I think you could fairly easily talk someone through landing The bad news is that it is 10/28 (east-west) and the wind was reported from the north at 11 knots gusting 17. KPBI 101553Z 02011G17KT 10SM SCT042 SCT046 26/15 A student pilot with 20 hours of training probably wouldn’t have been signed off by his/her/zir/their instructor to operate in that kind of crosswind. From: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2022/05…

“signed off by his/her/zir/their instructor to operate” What does “zir” mean? I’ve seen it around but can’t remember where.

It's a phrase Greenspun uses a lot on his blog, mocking excessive concern with gender pronouns. (In between a lot of interesting content, he constantly bangs on about 2 topics: how dumb he thinks liberals are, and how US divorce law discriminates against men.)

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Listening to the audio of the conversation, it doesn't seem like the passenger has no flying experience... At minimum they must have spent significant time around aviation or be ex-military. e: From another comment on Reddit > Examples: > The passenger knew what button to press on the yoke to transmit to ATC. > The passenger knew aviation phraseology and phonetics “333 Lima Delta”. > The passenger knew where the alti…

Genuine question, is my experience playing Microsoft flight simulator any use in being able to answer those questions, because it certainly feels like I can say something sensible about them.

Yes, it would be very helpful.

My instructor encouraged me to buy MS FS, pedals and a yoke.

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