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Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by renewiltord » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

The comments here in this thread illustrate why unions are so dangerous. So many Americans subscribe to the “we are full” and “why should I lower my wages” arguments against immigration. On their own, they’re flaccid. If unionized they would be powerful. Better that software engineer unions never see light lest they behave like unions of old did and turn their ire on immigrants.

Read here about the history of existing immigration policy and its roots in union anti-immigration policy https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/5124597.pdf

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by 22SAS » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

frontman1988 wrote: post #123

illplaythatgame wrote: post #77

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>>>> Let me flip your question too: why do you think it matters? Sure, it matters because there are tens of millions of black, hispanic, and latino US citizens -- numerous with CS/STEM degrees -- who cannot get into FAANGs. Many end up in retail or as best buy tech squad reps or tmobile store salespersons. Yet we're told that someone from a foreign country is a better candidate for these FAANG jobs. In my experience,…

Surely there must be something the profit driven FAANG companies are seeing that they prefer hiring broken English speaking Indians over American hispanics/blacks with tech degrees?

With FAANG companies it is not as much profit driven as much as it is that they get an employee who will have to work harder than others due to keeping their visa, and will stay for longer at least until their green card processing is complete and they have their I-140.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by vpl0512 » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

I am sailing in the same boat. Except that I am still waiting to be liberated with a Green Card. Its outrageous that there is still a big racism on the name of "Per-country" caps for a common-sense high skilled immigration system in the country like USA who makes a tall claim of being "Equal-Opportunity" country. A Pizza-delivery guy from Non-India/Non-Chinese place of birth can get his citizenship before atleast a decade than the person of Indian/Chinese original who filed on the same day. Its 2022, 4 administration went away since 2007 who made claims of changing the immigration system. Let's see how long do we wait to suffer.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by guerrilla » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:05 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #89

magtux wrote: post #56

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Are you responsible for everything your Government does ? I would hope not. People need to be treated individually. I thought that was the entire point of liberal democracy.

Yes! You are responsible, but more like responsible for the actions of your child, or, an object you own like a house. You are not at fault , if you are a good parent, or if you maintain your house well. So if the child breaks the law, or damages something, if the house has a weakness not known but someone gets injured, you are responsible. But the due dilligence, such as disciplining, teaching, and trying to instill…

Alright bro then I'm holding you personally responsible for everything on this list: https://github.com/binka/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by polotics » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

Stockholm syndrome much? What a horrible sad story. I felt pain each time the author mentioned being elated or joyful. One hard working Asian gets mistreated by the Land Of the Free, the mother of his child subjected to completely needless stress in the worst possible months of her pregnancy, and for what?

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by polotics » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

quantumwannabe wrote: post #38

Note that India requires prospective citizens to live in the country for 12 years before applying for naturalization, and China doesn't allow non-ethnic Chinese immigration at all (only ~1500 naturalized citizens/10,000 permanent residents in the whole country of over a billion people). Something to keep in mind when people from those countries complain about the American immigration system (doesn't apply to the Sing…

Thank you we just got here a perfect example of whataboutism! What some countries do to some people has nothing to do with what the US of (pardon me) Assholes does to someone who lived there most their lives!

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by 29athrowaway » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #125

29athrowaway wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through the same process as this man, so I am speaking from experience. The actual impact to my life was negligible, as all of the actual work was done by immigration lawyers. The only thing I had to do was submitting some info to the attorneys, a biometrics appointment and a short interview. And paying fees, and presenting a vaccination record. And the system is at capacity because there are long waiting time…

Seems like a nonsensical system. I could then say “considering how saturated the system is, I see a working system” about an immigration system that has exactly one immigration agent working exactly once every 3 decades. That system would also be “working”. Which makes what you’re saying rather comedic.

You use Hacker news. Hacker news rate limits requests and throttles some activity like commenting.

Do they do it because they hate people? Because they have an evil political affiliation? No.

They do it because of simple common sense and I agree with it. Same with the immigration system which is similar to the one from my country of origin.

The guy in the article is definitely a the type of immigrant any country wants, sure. But he comes from a country where you have jerks like Infosys and Tata submitting 10 copies of the same application for every employee, DoSing the USCIS. And where there are fake universities with 24/7 phone numbers and websites and fake photos. And a world of cheating in every aspect imaginable.

This has resulted in higher skepticism not only from the USCIS but from every governmental immigration agency on the planet.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by 22SAS » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

cletus wrote: post #16

zolosa wrote: post #5

Indians account for 73.9 percent out of the total number of H1B visa holders in the USA. Now i wouldn't want anyone to be discriminated but still it makes sense to limit green card based on nationality

This is an emotional subject. I've gone through this but come from a country that has a relatively easy path. The source of the huge delay for Indian-born people is these four facts: 1. India has a population exceeding one billion; 2. Green cards have a diversity rule that no more than 7% of applicants can come from a single country; 3. Your category is based solely on country of birth not country of citizenship; and…

I am an H1B holder and an Indian national. The bodyshops alone did not screw this up. A TON of Indians come here for graduate school, the main motive being that it is an easier path to getting a job here in the US. A lot of them also end up on H1B's and have their companies sponsor them for residency permits. A lot of those students have zero passion in what they're studying but it's all ok for them for a chance to work here.

A family friend's kid just arrived here for his MS CS. He told me upfront that he plagiarized all through his undergrad and couldn't write basic programs. I was like "why on earth would you purse an MS in CS then?". I saw a lot of folks like that.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by chupkarkhotay » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

boredumb wrote: post #128

Emma Lazarus posted a poem in 1903 and now the US has to bend over backwards to make everyone a citizen. The amount of people I hear living or working in the US that explain away bureaucracy as racist/xenophobic/etc while hailing from countries that literally won't allow you to become a citizen unless your genetic parents are from there is insane. It's obviously not a monolith of people but it does become tiresome he…

I recommend reading "This land is our land" by Suketu Mehta:

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374276027/thislandisourla...

You cannot compare policies with any random country - most immigrants pick the countries that have already hoarded all the wealth over centuries by waging and funding wars. In light of that history, the US should do a lot more than bend over backwards as reparations.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Post by Aperocky » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

boredumb wrote: post #128

Emma Lazarus posted a poem in 1903 and now the US has to bend over backwards to make everyone a citizen. The amount of people I hear living or working in the US that explain away bureaucracy as racist/xenophobic/etc while hailing from countries that literally won't allow you to become a citizen unless your genetic parents are from there is insane. It's obviously not a monolith of people but it does become tiresome he…

> obligation for US citizens to adopt every nation

The legal immigrants that came here are mostly self-supporting people whose taxes and spending supports a lot of US citizens.

Therefore your statement is almost entirely reversed, it is beneficial to the country that these people join us here.

Of course, we can kill the H1B program entirely. Businesses will find a way, except this time all of the aforementioned taxes and spending will happen somewhere else. Sundar Pichai, Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Satya Nadella, they'll all work elsewhere, along with millions of other people in the tech community.