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Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by mkotowski » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #9

cheeseface wrote: post #5

In the end, culture and values change surprisingly slowly.

True, but they do change; if e.g. an empire hangs around for long enough, the original culture will be lost or assimilated. See for example Christianity throughout Europe, plenty of examples of erased or merged cultures to the point where nobody knows what happened before. Or the lasting influence of colonization throughout the world. Or the change of culture and language that the US has throughout the Hollywood medi…

Some more examples: - apparently ancient Egyptians had this problem with their own past, but I don’t remember where I read this. If anyone has a source, I would be thankful. - pre-indoeuropean language families in Europe, only Basque remained that we know of

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by qsdf38100 » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

I’m sceptical, it’s too easy to cherry-pick data to make it look supportive of one’s political agenda. Not saying it’s the case here, I just wouldn’t trust too much "obvious" patterns and easy to understand maps from a twitter thread. More often than not, such threads are omitting data that doesn’t support the view of the author. Reality is rarely obvious and simple.

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #7

Peeve: To cause to be annoyed or resentful. synonym: annoy. These are not pet peeves at all, they are the persons pet loves. All examples are a type of "look at this great example, designed not to annoy or cause resentment at all, just the opposite! Aren't they cool and amazing?"

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Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by dec0dedab0de » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

I wonder if things are going to change significantly with all of the covid related movement.

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by Svoka » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #15

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What do you mean by "Russian territory"? Colony of Ukraine (aka Kyivana Rus) or colony of Mongolia? Or may be USSR occupation? Russian Federation is made up country for dumbass fascists like you.

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by zen_of_prog » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #7

Peeve: To cause to be annoyed or resentful. synonym: annoy. These are not pet peeves at all, they are the persons pet loves. All examples are a type of "look at this great example, designed not to annoy or cause resentment at all, just the opposite! Aren't they cool and amazing?"

My theory is that he misinterpreted https://xkcd.com/1138/

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by jmull » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #20

I don't really get why this annoys the author though?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't and that the author misused an idiom (and probably is not a native English speaker).

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by alephxyz » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

qsdf38100 wrote: post #22

I’m sceptical, it’s too easy to cherry-pick data to make it look supportive of one’s political agenda. Not saying it’s the case here, I just wouldn’t trust too much "obvious" patterns and easy to understand maps from a twitter thread. More often than not, such threads are omitting data that doesn’t support the view of the author. Reality is rarely obvious and simple.

It's more of a weak indirect correlation between historical map -> economic prosperity -> political preferences. The modern political maps for France, Germany, Portugal and Romania at least are essentially proxies for GDP per capita (not sure about the others).

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by LeanderK » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

qsdf38100 wrote: post #22

I’m sceptical, it’s too easy to cherry-pick data to make it look supportive of one’s political agenda. Not saying it’s the case here, I just wouldn’t trust too much "obvious" patterns and easy to understand maps from a twitter thread. More often than not, such threads are omitting data that doesn’t support the view of the author. Reality is rarely obvious and simple.

I totally assumed the examples to be cherry picked but it's still fun to look at. Not every past border is visible on modern maps, but still some are clearly the consequence of those, for example the german maps where the old GDR is the reason for the high rate of atheism or popularity of more extreme parties.

I think that often past borders are the consequence of different demographics, which clearly translate into modern differences.

Re: When old historic maps overlap with modern political maps

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Post by Imnimo » Wed, May 11, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

Not sure I totally buy the Mexico one. The correspondence just isn't as strong as in some of the other ones, and in some places is confounded by modern state borders.