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Tech Salaries in 2022: Why the Six Figure Pay Makes Techies Feel Underpaid

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>the average tech worker’s salary [will] reach $104,566 in the U.S. — a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The average tech worker is making less than they were 2 years ago according to the Dice salary report. Why do tech workers feel underpaid? Many companies posted record growth and profits over the pandemic, but still give out paltry 3-5% raise…

> The cost savings of work from home must have been enormous for these companies

It would have been if they had shut down the offices, but they've paying rent and heating/cooling costs on completely empty buildings for years now because they hold out hope they can drag people back.

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Meanwhile I'm making ~1/10th of the average. Been applying but looks like companies are looking for folks with +4yr experience. US and UK companies are no go since most aren't hiring people located outside of the US, and the few that do, it's for 1/10th of the average pay again.

Making +100k USD would be nice but I'm looking for 20k or maybe 30k, that would be way more than what I'm making currently. Can anyone share some tips? Should I just grind it out until I have enough yrs of experience to compete/be eligible for higher paying jobs?

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> ...a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The I have heard this point made a couple of times recently. Is there any reason why these two values should be the same? It is a point of concern for those on very low incomes who spent all their income and are not able to save anythiny, but if you are on a six figure income and only a portion of that inc…

"Is there any reason why these two values should be the same?" Are you producing the same value for the company as you did last year? If inflation is higher, then you are receiving less value via your pay from producing the same or more value for the company.

Inflation is a measure of the price of the basket of goods. Let's say all prices stay the same except that gasoline is up 100%. This will be measured as "overall inflation" but it isn't like the business you are working for is raising prices or taking in more revenue than before. If everybody says "well inflation is X% so we need to raise prices and salaries by X%" then inflation will necessarily rise beyond X% because that X% was driven by different price increases.

People like to think of X% inflation meaning that every dollar is worth less and every product as costing X% more, but this isn't actually how it works in practice.

Re: Tech Salaries in 2022: Why the Six Figure Pay Makes Techies Feel Underpaid

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>the average tech worker’s salary [will] reach $104,566 in the U.S. — a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The average tech worker is making less than they were 2 years ago according to the Dice salary report. Why do tech workers feel underpaid? Many companies posted record growth and profits over the pandemic, but still give out paltry 3-5% raise…

The money we make pales in comparison with the size of our contributions to the company. Especially so if you are in a value-adding position and not something like internal tooling. Management and executives are DEFINITELY underpaying us relative to what we bring to the table for them. Maybe that is one of the reason headcounts have ballooned and complexity has increased so much -- an attempt to minimize individual i…

What? Internal developer productivity tooling is one of the most important investments a company can make, especially at the scale phase. B tier companies give that work to juniors. A tier companies give that work to the most senior people they can find to do it.

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If only America's productive cities did not ban building more housing..

If only Americans reignited their imagination and didn't just settle on having a few big cities in opposite corners of the country. America is huge. There's land everywhere. Start dreaming. China has 160 cities with 1+ million people. We have 10. Granted, there is a massive population difference, but we should most definitely have more than 10. There are major issues when you only have a few cities with the bulk of t…

Well, compared to the rest of the world, I found US diversification much better than most of other countries, that have only one major city to where everything flows in.

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>the average tech worker’s salary [will] reach $104,566 in the U.S. — a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The average tech worker is making less than they were 2 years ago according to the Dice salary report. Why do tech workers feel underpaid? Many companies posted record growth and profits over the pandemic, but still give out paltry 3-5% raise…

That's not strictly true. If the average is dropped down by an increasingly large share of new joiners at entry level, you might see the average raise exceed 11% while the average comp level is raised only to 6.9%

Raises are often somewhat small, but job changes can be pretty hefty. And it's better than most positions by fair margin.

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>the average tech worker’s salary [will] reach $104,566 in the U.S. — a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The average tech worker is making less than they were 2 years ago according to the Dice salary report. Why do tech workers feel underpaid? Many companies posted record growth and profits over the pandemic, but still give out paltry 3-5% raise…

you know, I'd be very curious what kinds of radical interview approaches teams have considered to break out of the LC mold. A little LC is useful in an interview situation, if an engineer can't do a simple 20-30 line coding problem or reason over the constraints/design space - then there is a good chance that they will need help with core coding in the day to day (which may not be a deal breaker in every employer). A…

> if an engineer can't do a simple 20-30 line coding problem or reason over the constraints/design space - then there is a good chance that they will need help with core coding in the day to day.

This isn't my experience, I've found that the number one reason for not doing well on leetcode problems is simply because the candidate hasn't practiced doing leetcode problems. I've known plenty good engineers who, when interviewing with LC style interviews for the first time, fail utterly. Then they realize they just need to practice and did better.

I've been in the industry for around 15 years now, my anecdotal observation is that the average quality of engineers is negatively correlated with the rise of leetcode. 10 years ago the strongest signal was a solid github profile with lots of relevant projects.

That's not to say leetcode is the cause of this decline. The cause is the flood of SWE being rushed into the career as fast as possible (this is why github is no longer a good signal, bootcamps started training their students to create meaningless GH projects just to attempt to create signal).

However I've also seen no indication that leetcode type challenges have any relationship to being a good engineer. I've worked at plenty of places that required pretty tricky leetcode style problems filled with very, very mediocre engineers. Leetcode has become a game that has little to nothing to do with real world programming, in the same way that speed-cubing (solving Rubik's cubes in record time) has absolutely nothing to do with the player's underlying understanding of group theory and combinatorics.

The old fashioned walk through and reason about non-trivial code someone has written is still an excellent method to see how a programmer thinks and if they can code.

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>the average tech worker’s salary [will] reach $104,566 in the U.S. — a 6.9% increase since 2020, the report found. But inflation is over 11% since 2020. This isn't an increase. The average tech worker is making less than they were 2 years ago according to the Dice salary report. Why do tech workers feel underpaid? Many companies posted record growth and profits over the pandemic, but still give out paltry 3-5% raise…

What baffles me though is that its not like this crazy interview gauntlet is being maintained purely by HR. Engineers in those big tech companies are very protective towards those processes as well, and loudly protest if one would try to change them (complaining about lowering the bar, not hiring top tier talent anymore, etc.). And tbh, I would be afraid of what they would replace those LC interviews with. At least, I can prepare and grind a LC test. I do not want to have to explain in details what a inode is when interviewing for a back-end position, while I have never had a need for that kind of knowledge in 10 YoE.

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The cost of everything else raised as well, so wealthy tech workers also lost purchasing power (especially after the last stock crash).

> I don't understand this opinion. Ok, let me spell it out: you're not special. Nothing about your profession makes you special, you are not somehow better than anyone because you can sit at a computer and write code. It's a skill, a very highly compensated one for now but an incredibly narrow one that happens to be useful a select few corps, sure, but so was were many other things. And if one thing that COVID has ta…

> you are not somehow better than anyone because you can sit at a computer and write code.

You're right, any human being with a pulse can produce effective software with no training or education or experience or effort whatsoever, and nobody's better at it than anybody else, unlike every other single human endeavor.

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If you're a senior delivering 10x the value of a grad, does it not feel fair to offer more than 2x the salary? I'm torn tbh - there are various ways that a salary can be set, including the value people are delivering, market forces and in reference to others in the career ladder. There's a balancing act to be had, but I can see where the GP is coming from.

> you're a senior delivering 10x the value of a grad Not arguing one way or another. But an alternate hypothesis would be this skill gap has closed. Education might be better. Or tooling may have improved such that the tangible benefit of experience has, for most current applications, depreciated. Assuming the reduced innovativeness of the average tech worker today versus ten years ago, the equation balances. Test mi…

Even with the best education, tooling and copy-paste resources, it still takes at least 4-5 years to become competent. In my opinion, entry-level quality as consistently dropped over the last 20 years.
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