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Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

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Coinbase is such a shit company...My interactions with them have been absolutely awful. The ended up trying to use a AMEX gift card attached to my papal to buy some crypto, got no error but the funds never went through. Apparently they didn't like that transaction and was flagged as fraud. I was told I can't open a support ticket or have it reviewed for 2 months, "they can't disclose the reasoning behind this." So I had to dump everything I had built up in that account into USD and withdraw it.

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Coinbase is the AOL of crypto.

Is there a better crypto on ramp though?

Coinbase will let me transfer up to $1000 worth of crypto off their platform immediately after purchase even though the funds haven't settled in their account yet. Every other crypto platform I've used, forces a wait of 3, 7 or 10 days before you can withdraw your new crypto.

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Now the real question is whether bankruptcy would topple USDC since Coinbase is one of the major backers [0]. It's holding steady right now, but so was UST a few days ago. USDC has $48B supply and is propping up DeFi apps on many other networks (just look at AAVE [1] and Curve [2], two multi-chain protocols), so if it falters, there could be massive fallout. [0]: https://www.centre.io/usdc [1]: https://app.aave.com/m…

I don't think you can really compare UST and USDC like that. USDC has major backing by very large players in the space while UST is backed by... just Terra?

But I agree on the last part, if USDC looses its peg, large parts of the ecosystem will be fucked. But considering who is managing + supporting USDC, it'll take a large event for USDC to lose its peg.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

Coinbase looks more like a brokerage to me than a bank. While SPIC insurance covers some of your assets the bigger protection comes from brokerage rules around segregating user funds from company funds and the expectation of the courts that those funds won’t be used to settle company debts. So it is a little surprising to me that crypto assets wouldn’t be treated similarly, which is probably why the SEC is demanding…

> So it is a little surprising to me that crypto assets wouldn’t be treated similarly, which is probably why the SEC is demanding this disclosure.

I only know what I read from the article.

But for me, it seemed like the disclosure was required, not because the crypto funds would be used to settle company debts, but rather, this has never been tested in court. So, it’s highly likely that customer accounts would be protected in a crypto bankruptcy, but we don’t have any precedent on it, so we don’t know this to be the case.

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Is the Coinbase Wallet safe to use? What would happen if Apple removed the app, would people lose access to funds stored in that wallet?

These types of wallets generate recovery seed phrases that are widely supported: When you install the wallet, you will be asked to write down a phrase, and you'll be able to type the same phrase into any of 20 other wallet implementations to recover your funds.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong (long time ago I used iOS), but even if Apple removes the application from the App Store doesn't mean it'll be deleted from your phone automatically. At least I remembered that I was still able to use some apps even after they were deleted from the App Store some years ago.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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post #2

Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

I mean with over 250 billion in assets managed, they should be able to get bought out and / or attract investors instead of go bankrupt. I'm sure there's rich folk who have an interest in owning an established crypto exchange.

Although on the other, with that much in assets, there may also be people with an interest in having it go bankrupt - or just to spread these rumors, to further help crash the price of crypto.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have skin in the game (not a crypto fan, not in the US and not an investor in coinbase), but I don't think your sarcasm is warranted here (side note for any other readers, that's _not_ what his linked thread says). Regulatory capture is _real_, and dispraportionately favours incumbents. As regulations are tightened on crypto in general, firms that are not involved in the creation of said regulations are going…

I don't think regulatory capture is the issue here. We're talking about a disclosure of risks ... that seems reasonable to me. Dude says there is no risk of bankruptcy and is predicting court case outcomes... and it is clearly in his financial interest to make the arguments he is making. The system is rigged and other truthy arguments are all but standard operating procedure for whatever crytpo idea someone comes up…

The problem is that the disclosure of risks is written in such a way that captures the existing situatio nand makes it hard for a valid crypto firm to not post... exactly this.

> The system is rigged and other truthy arguments are all but standard operating procedure for whatever crytpo idea someone comes up with.

But remember that applies to both sides of the coin - the SEC disclosure of risks claiming there's a huge risk of monetary loss _is_ true, but it's also unavoidable as (to my understanding) there isn't currently a way for coinbase to be FDIC insured.

> Those arguments doesn't make mean we shouldn't be skeptical.

You should be incredibly skeptical, but you should be informed of what you're skeptical about.

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If people loose tons of cash in this fiasco, it will pretty much kill crypto

If I'd get a nickel every time someone said this, I'd have tons of cash. But, seems that no matter how much people lose in cryptocurrencies, the ecosystem carries on. It might dip for a while, but sooner or later it comes back up. And then it falls... And then...

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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This boils down to the "not your keys not your coin" mantra that's often repeated in the cryptocurrency community. It is possible to move your coins to your own wallet and manage them on your own. This comes with risks (eg. lost keys). Keeping them on exchange comes with different risks. Anyone holding significant amount of cryptocurrencies should consider the risks of each choice, make an informed decision, and live…

I'm almost sure Coinbase practices fractional reserve and other forms of market manipulation, let's see how that bank run works for people.

Some examples:

- NuCypher goes up quickly on binance (a few months ago) because a whale is buying there, lots of people try to withdraw on CB to sell on binance, withdrawals start off working but then get locked for 5 hours straight, reddit and other social media had people complaining, no explanation given by CB, just technical issues as always.

- Try to sell a few tokens a few weeks ago, it doesn't allow me to put big orders, instead they make me do it in multiple times, in which time the bots (some of which are theirs), front run me and instead of sell at a 5% lower price in one hit I lose 10% just waiting for the UI to allow me to make small order after small order.

- Always blocking withdrawals in the most suspicious moments imaginable, just happened to me 3 days ago trying to withdraw USDC, had to wait an hour until that "unexpected error occurred" disappeared.

- Human greed, why would they be different from the banks? I see most people don't withdraw their coins, I lend their coins for interest and profit from it, shareholders are happy, I sell my stocks and make money, if a bank run occurs I'll declare bankruptcy or ask the government for help because like a bank if my customers lose their money they might become unhappy and cause the government problems (Coinbase will eventually become a bank if crypto hype keeps growing).

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