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Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Jack is showing that he’s unprincipled. He doesn’t shape his decisions around principles, he shapes his ostensible “principles” around his decisions.

The question they (Jack, but also Elon) ask themselves is not “what’s the principled decision to make?” but “What’s best for me in this moment?” and in the moment Trump was banned, banning Trump was the best decision for Jack. And now the best decision for Jack is not to ban trump…

A person without principles is a bad leader.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

#102
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Before this turns into a culture-war-fest consider this: if Twitter is to be a global platform, it probably should NOT take political sides and if it is to censor anyone permanently, it should mostly adhere to local courts and similar entities. It's not about Trump or United States. It's about everyone else. World is a really messy place. It's not very easy generally to decided if in a political conflict one or other…

How come this is not a widely held opinion? This view should be a norm. Do not ban a president of a country on social media. Period. When a private company decides to do so, it should be profusely condemned by everyone. Should Putin's twitter be banned as well?

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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I doubt Thiel is some kind of central master mind behind all this. Musk seems quite independently driven and probably found this a necessary move with only minor chats with thiel (if any). I'm not sure Thiel has any more or less influence than Sam Altman or Paul Graham.

"Elon Musk Reacts To WSJ Report That 'Shadow Crew' Of Billionaires Including Peter Thiel Pushed Him To Buy Twitter" https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants... "A source who spoke to both men said that Musk thinks Thiel is "a sociopath," and Thiel considers Musk "a fraud."" https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relati...

"Reacts to" and rejects the idea. I trust Musk more than rumors spread by WSJ.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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post #14

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I doubt Thiel is some kind of central master mind behind all this. Musk seems quite independently driven and probably found this a necessary move with only minor chats with thiel (if any). I'm not sure Thiel has any more or less influence than Sam Altman or Paul Graham.

"Elon Musk Reacts To WSJ Report That 'Shadow Crew' Of Billionaires Including Peter Thiel Pushed Him To Buy Twitter" https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants... "A source who spoke to both men said that Musk thinks Thiel is "a sociopath," and Thiel considers Musk "a fraud."" https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relati...

Not true at all. They’re on very good terms.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Mayor of chicago said yesterday overturning roe vs wade is a call to arms. Still on twitter.

Everyone in American politics uses fight metaphors. Not every political movement erects a gallows outside the Capitol and then breaks and enters to look for legislators and the Vice President to hang.

Not every cause has the same effect, which is one reason why the law often looks into intent. If the speaker intend to incite violence then it's a call for violence, and if it is not then it's a metaphor. It is only by going through the context and the environment of a statement that intent can be subjectively judged.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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My anxiety when reading news online or listening to radio went noticeably down when Donald Trump was banned from Twitter, and I don't live in the US. I entirely agree with you.

I think this is the fault of the news media exploiting peoples anxieties for clicks and engagement. They made everything seem like some kind of catastrophe.

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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Yeah, that's equivalent to "stand back, and stand by" /s

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Where are you exactly where people say ‘call to arms’ as anything other than idiomatic call to action?

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Removing him only removed him from your conversation. He is not silenced. Same with banning the Trump reddit forums, what this achieved was to shift them to their own platform where they, no longer hear opposing views or being challenged. And to me it seems worse than ever in their views and speech, shockingly though sometimes.

Using something like the Paradox of tolerance logic is dangerous itself. People love to find justification to their own bad deeds, and this smells like something along those lines to me. The 'I cant be too tolerant or you will use it against me'.

I think the key flaw in the Paradox you quote is "tolerant without limit". I agree if this were true, but society has never had this and never will, it's such an absolute. As fairly standard wherever you live you will have libel and slander laws, rules about promoting things illegal, or encouraging violence.

Overall is a giant problem and is full of grey zones without a perfect answer, but in that I feel its important to steer strongly to the higher principle, be it tolerance or free speech etc, and accept there is cost to higher principles, as sad as that is, but this is far better than allowing a society to swing the other way.

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