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Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

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Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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This boils down to the "not your keys not your coin" mantra that's often repeated in the cryptocurrency community. It is possible to move your coins to your own wallet and manage them on your own. This comes with risks (eg. lost keys). Keeping them on exchange comes with different risks. Anyone holding significant amount of cryptocurrencies should consider the risks of each choice, make an informed decision, and live…

This feels similar to buying a stock’s street name (a proxy for the actual share) vs directly registering a stock in your name. A key selling point of crypto has always been eliminating central control. If someone else is managing your keys, it’s a given that they’ll borrow against those entries in one way or another (putting the money to work so to speak). Risk assessment depends on which someone thinks is more like…

In the case of cede & co going bankrupt (a nearly impossible thought) your street side shares would not be used to settle their debts. You don’t need direct registration for that protection. The same is true for your brokerage.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Wait, can someone explain to me why they would explicitly announce it like this? This almost sounds like they're expecting to go bankrupt, or have plans to close the platform. In the last 7 days they have lost over 50% value, and dropping a news bomb like this is only going to make it worse, isn't it?

This is a formal filing with the SEC [1]. Companies are either incentivized or outright mandated to disclose every possible risk, even those which are highly improbable. In this case, due to new regulations that directly affect Coinbase, customers' claims in a Coinbase bankruptcy are clarified. Also, some implications for the accounting thereof. Coinbase is not a bank, and assets of customers are not insured. Thus, customers would probably not be made whole in the event of a bankruptcy. Coinbase says it is possible that these facts could harm business if current or potential customers find this risk sufficient to reduce, halt, or not start doing business with Coinbase.

The filing says nothing about how probable a bankruptcy is, but Brian Armstrong, Coinbase CEO, has given his perspective on this topic here: [2] Here is the lede: "We have no risk of bankruptcy."

[1] https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001679788/89c60d8...

[2] https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/15242334800407101...

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

If this was a brokerage with stocks, the customers own those stocks. There is no reason crypto shouldn't be the same. There is no reason crypto shouldn't have top priority to their owners. It isn't okay for a company to put other creditors above the owners of that crypto

Stocks in brokerages are safe in part because the SIPC exists. Being a priority creditor doesn’t help if, say, someone siphoned off all the Bitcoin.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

What i don't understand is why don't people create their own wallet and keep their funds there? Isn't that the entire purpose? Of course they could still use coinbase as an exchange. But if everyone let's another party "manage" their wallet in what way is it really decentralized...
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