One thing I don't understand is how this could even be enforced? You could mandate it in controlled ecosystems but without a disconnection from the global internet it would have as much a chance of prevailing as the US did in the original crypto wars.
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
the Old Testament does say you can stone your belligerent child to death outside the city walls if you like (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 [1]) - after all, what is the death penalty if not a very late abortion plus some due diligence? However, more interestingly, do you think you could cite where (a) the Bible forbids abortion or (b) the Bible makes clear that life begins at any point prior to birth? [1] https://www.biblegat…
I have no interest in discussing The Bible further with you given that you blatantly misrepresented a passage and then shifted the goal posts when questioned about it.
> However, more interestingly, do you think you could cite where (a) the Bible forbids abortion or (b) the Bible makes clear that life begins at any point prior to birth?
I too, am interested in this answer and have not misrepresented any biblical passages.
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#163This is a typical way for unpopular laws to pass. Pretend it's to save kids, to spread democracy or to whatever else you really care about.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes Minister covers it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks Tell them you're going to have their messages scanned on behalf of the government and nobody wants it. Tell them you're going to introduce measures for online safety and to crack down on child abuse, and everybody wants it. Unless you're pre-informed on the issues, whoever presents it to you can just pick the side that gets you to the answer the…
> Unless you're pre-informed on the issues, whoever presents it to you can just pick the side that gets you to the answer they want. This summarizes a good 75% of modern political discourse.
Ironically, this is why a lot of people argue everyone shouldn't vote. Basically, if you add some minor barriers to voting you'll get only those who know and care about what's going on to vote.
Otherwise, you'll have lemmings. Where people with a bit of propaganda will drive everyone else off the cliff.
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#165In theory (and in practice today), I’m strongly against this. However, I see a future where you will have to choose between mass surveillance or something close to extinction. I might be wrong, but as technology progress, it seems almost inevitable that a single individual can do more and more damage. An amount of damage it took half an army to achieve a couple of hundred years ago, one individual can do today with t…
Yes. This kind of scenario is really frightening. It's why we need to expand colonies off world. There isn't much to add except that I've had the exact same thought several times before.
>It's why we need to expand colonies off world.
If the technology in question that's gone awry due to a single rogue individual is AGI, it'd easily kick our ass across the cosmos if malevolent. There's very likely no running from it.
The point at which it becomes possible for a single person to create something like that, is the point where we'd such need a system of control lest we face extinction as a species.
Fortunately, said system of control would likely have to be implemented with AI anyways, and stands a good chance of being done correctly such that it doesn't infringe on individual freedom or human rights whatsoever.
One of my favorite things to ponder is the notion of a superintelligence created to protect us that renders itself invisible. A diety of our own creation as intangible and mythological as those found in historical scriptures.
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#166Here's the uncommon opinion. Google/FB, by extension US government, already performs mass surveillance. There are actually 2 solutions to this problem. One is stopping Google/FB. The other is making mass surveillance more common, lessening the impact of mass surveillance. In that sense non-US govs taking mass surveillance is a boon to power balances and competition amongst nations and economies. Does this opinion hav…
No matter what, mass surveillance is always wrong. Mass surveillance is basically for against every constitution, Grundgesetz, declaration of rights that is worth its salt
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU has many types of legal acts and the European Commission is responsible for planning and proposing law. Also EU regulations are legal acts that apply automatically to all EU countries without needing to be transposed into national law. For scanning encrypted messages, they can be scanned on device before encryption, like Apple’s approach to CSAM.
My "device" is a laptop. You say "like Apple", but I believe Apple's CSAM is unique - nothing else tries to scan your messages between keyboard and encryption.
I think the term « device » is a bit misleading. I should have used client side instead. It doesn’t need to scan your messages between keyboard and encryption, the application handles your messages in plaintext and it can scan them without needing any decryption. The encryption is done just before sending the messages.
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#168I really really look forward to a world where internet service providers simply stop bowing to shitty unhealthy demands of sovereign powers. I (admittedly, a no-one) have no intent to respect this & every intent to eacallate my efforts to help people fight off pernicious piece of shit legislation. On the plus side, the pushes towards hosting-it-yourself keep going up. The fact that all our rights online are granted b…
"I really really look forward to a world where internet service providers simply stop bowing to shitty unhealthy demands of sovereign powers."
rsync.net is not an ISP, but … way ahead of you there:
https://rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt
Every Monday morning for 16 years.
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#169The interesting thing about EU is that, because it’s a bureaucratic dictatorship, it can force it (worse, citizens are mostly obedient). So it’s particularly dangerous.
Imagine France orders this! It’s not like Apple responding to consumers’ opinion.
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If I had bezos money, I would buy a large swath of arable land, build a large wall around it, and offer 100k so called libertarians to walk in with some supplies. But they couldn't form government. Absolutely no form of mandatory taxation of any kind. And once they went in, they would be committed for five years. Oh, since we can't have them benefiting from positive outcomes of collective action, we'll pipe in pollut…
> Oh, since we can't have them benefiting from positive outcomes of collective action, we'll pipe in polluted air and river waste to help simulate a truly free market environmental policy. That’s a completely artificial and shoehorned idea. If you want to prove a point about libertarians, do it properly in a closed system. They must be left to their own devices and are left to clean their own pollution.
>closed system
That's the point libertarians don't get: there is no closed system. There is no green field hypothetical.