So the draft hasn't been published? Have there been public committee meetings? I'd like to know more about the actual content of the bill.
Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
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#42What's that "%ef%bf%bc" at the end of the link ?
From StackOverflow-
These look like corrupted URLs being inserted by a piece of Malware/Adware called "Adpeak"[1]
[1]https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25222973/weird-character....
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#43> This will require them to monitor and scan the communications of citizens en masse – even if they are still securely encrypted end-to-end so far. how does this work though? Or do they want to force communication services to have backdoor into their encryption technology?
Afaik the legislation will force communication service providers (WhatsApp, MSN Messenger, ...) to scan any chat message for illegal material before it is encrypted and sent. The scanning happens against a known database of data fingerprints.
So what happens with self-hosted or decentralized services? Like matrix.
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#44These pathetic fucks should stop pretending to worry about children. What they really want is subversive populace living under the constant threat of being made criminals.
FFS China, Russia, India etc are proud of you.
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#45Here's the uncommon opinion. Google/FB, by extension US government, already performs mass surveillance.
There are actually 2 solutions to this problem. One is stopping Google/FB. The other is making mass surveillance more common, lessening the impact of mass surveillance.
In that sense non-US govs taking mass surveillance is a boon to power balances and competition amongst nations and economies.
Does this opinion have any issues? what are they?
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> since we (the vast majority of people) were also screwed over without representative government. Without government we at least had choice. I think you're needlessly cynical. Humans can organize themselves quite well when they have maximum choice as individuals. The robber barons of the early nineteenth century were bolstered by governments--not hindered. Governments have always been corrupt.
> Without government we at least had choice. I don't consider "give me your stuff or I beat you" a choice.
Only difference is now the government says "give me your stuff or I beat you" rather than your neighbor
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#47I don't understand who wants this. does any of their actual constituency want it? Or is it literally just the actual elected officials getting power hungry? Stuff like abortion, etc where I don't really understand the other side. I've at least met real people who are pro life. I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways.
The very idea of the EU is to move control away from democratically elected governments. It is designed to prevent democratic participation of its people. The one direct democratic structure, the European Parliament, is toothless, and being defanged, and the Commission is an organisation made up by politicians you want to get rid of at home (because of looming political scandals usually).
Can't get your dystopian policy through at home? Delegate it to Brussels, then publicly claim that 'it can't be helped, it's an EU directive', washing your hands in innocence.
I do understand why the British decided to leave. It was a crazy idea, it's incredibly damaging to their economy, but subjectively, I can understand them.
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#48I don't understand who wants this. does any of their actual constituency want it? Or is it literally just the actual elected officials getting power hungry? Stuff like abortion, etc where I don't really understand the other side. I've at least met real people who are pro life. I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways.
I never understand this apparent motive of "elected officials getting power hungry". How would this legislation make the people in the EU Commission more powerful? Am I just lacking imagination?
Yes, you are lacking in imagination.
The ability to almost arbitrarily spy on people especially in a politicized environment is 'powerful'.
It's the 'most powerful thing'.
There are innumerable ways for a program like this to go wayward.
There are a few legit reasons for such things but 'proper oversight' is hard.
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#49I don't understand who wants this. does any of their actual constituency want it? Or is it literally just the actual elected officials getting power hungry? Stuff like abortion, etc where I don't really understand the other side. I've at least met real people who are pro life. I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways.
Yes Minister covers it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
Tell them you're going to have their messages scanned on behalf of the government and nobody wants it. Tell them you're going to introduce measures for online safety and to crack down on child abuse, and everybody wants it.
Unless you're pre-informed on the issues, whoever presents it to you can just pick the side that gets you to the answer they want.
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#50I'm just tired, to be honest. Even if we prevent this exact law (proposal), a few years down the line there probably will be another attempt. And again, and again. Just like it happend with the mandatory data retention laws for ISPs.
I really try to stay optimistic on this topic, but it's really hard. :/