Welcome to the era of the hyper-surveilled office

Post by 4mitkumar » Tue, May 10, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

vharuck wrote: post #75

emptyparadise wrote: post #4

Feels like every damn thing that happens gets used as a pretext to enable more and more surveillance. Will we need job boards specifically for jobs that don't do surveillance too? >Last year Fujitsu, a Japanese technology group, unveiled AI software which promises to gauge employees’ concentration based on their facial expression. Just need software that punishes employees who aren't happy enough at work, then we'll…

Where's the software letting me surveil my supervisors? They're supposed to be spending some time and effort on me, so I have a legitimate need to make sure that's happening. There should be software that scans their emails and chat for discussions about open positions, projects, or trainings that are a good fit for me. Then it'll let me know if they recommended me, or mentioned my name in a negative context. Of cour…

Post by emteycz » Tue, May 10, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

benfrain wrote: post #150

What is the reality here? If a company adds MDM software to a laptop they have given you for work and you use it at home on your home network. Is it easy enough for them (in theory) to get on to the network and look on your kids or partners devices? Or is that tin hat thinking?

Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 10, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

lodovic wrote: post #144

nixpulvis wrote: post #49

Security cameras at work are debatably legal under many states eavesdropping laws as I interpret the text. Of course INAL, and many places have better reason to have cameras, e.g. to curb shoplifting, but a corporate office really isn't one of those places. What am I going to do, steal some paperclips?

I always wonder - who will be looking at the footage? Your manager is obviously too busy, so there must be some department of workers checking on other workers? Then, ownership. How can you be sure this video footage is kept safe and private? Who owns it and for how long can they keep it? Imagine a teenage child entering the wfh room while you're on a break, I can image wanting to have that video removed immediately.…

Post by giraffe_lady » Tue, May 10, 2022, 3:00 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #146

giraffe_lady wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok. I'm not trying to be hostile I only brought this up because you mentioned concerns with privacy and what your children are learning to tolerate and accept re: surveillance. We feel safer with cameras but in practice there are few cases where we truly are. I think what the kids are likely to learn from this is that an authority's sense of security is a more powerful demand than their own need for privacy, somethin…

While I would not put cameras in my home, I do want a copy of the record for myself in the event something happens on my property that I could be liable for, such as a trip and fall on the sidewalk in front of my house. Or if I have to use self defense, or if cops do something unsavory, or if someone breaks in or damages car, I have evidence. It is a type of insurance that costs basically nothing. I was already able…

  > something happens on my property that I could be liable for, such as a trip and fall on the sidewalk in front of my house
  - that's a homeowner's insurance claim, and their problem now.

  > Or if I have to use self defense
  - in your own home? very few prosecutors would pursue this and fewer juries convict it. I have incredibly little trust in the carceral justice system but even I can believe this will end in your favor

  > if cops do something unsavory
  - camera won't stop them and it won't get them punished either. it *might* help turn it into a big media event which long-term may help erode these powers. but it won't help you.

  > someone breaks in or damages car
  - evidence for what? again this is an insurance claim, and the damage itself is sufficient evidence for this. the police may or may not pursue the damager but either way you still have a broken car, and still get your insurance payout. why care?

Post by lotsofpulp » Tue, May 10, 2022, 3:16 PM UTC

giraffe_lady wrote: post #157

lotsofpulp wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I would not put cameras in my home, I do want a copy of the record for myself in the event something happens on my property that I could be liable for, such as a trip and fall on the sidewalk in front of my house. Or if I have to use self defense, or if cops do something unsavory, or if someone breaks in or damages car, I have evidence. It is a type of insurance that costs basically nothing. I was already able…

Yeah my point is that you don't get those things from the cameras, or don't need them. Look: > something happens on my property that I could be liable for, such as a trip and fall on the sidewalk in front of my house - that's a homeowner's insurance claim, and their problem now. > Or if I have to use self defense - in your own home? very few prosecutors would pursue this and fewer juries convict it. I have incredibly…