This is the obvious end result. All those whiners revolting against returning to the office are destroying their own employment opportunities
Tech Industry Warns That More Remote-Work Jobs Are Headed Out of U.S.
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#12This is the obvious end result. All those whiners revolting against returning to the office are destroying their own employment opportunities
> All those whiners
It never ceases to amaze me how completely unsympathetic people are towards other people just for wanting different things.
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#13Unless it’s a hierarchical remote-first tech-only company, in-person is the only way to really see the business problems and stay in the loop. And when (not if) the current tech boom busts (which may have started) the remote jobs that are lost won’t come back to the US.
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#14The obvious response is: "do it, you won't."
They might scare the new grads with that sort of talk, but we've seen what happens when you outsource jobs with the sole aim of saving money.
Those of us old enough to remember those times, also have a special rate for helping to clean up projects which started that way. It's usually somewhere in the 200-500% range.
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#15A better headline would have been, “Tech industry uses scare tactics to try and force people back into the office”. Been there, done that. If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced. Do you really think they were sitting around saying,”I know they cost more but I’m too busy playing golf to bother” and they’re only getting around to it now?
Actually yes I do. Feel very strongly that the tech work from home movement is shining a light on something they don’t want a light shined on. They should be vehemently making cases that teams need to be in offices together and that “face to face is best” to keep their jobs in their citadel.
Absolutely. I am seeing this unfold right in front of me and I'm amazed how happy people are to cut their own throat. I guess it's just because a lot of people have only ever experienced being highly in demand.
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#16Can’t say I’m too concerned. Every project I’ve ever worked on that outsourced something ended in failure or a major decline in quality. We used to need 3 accountants in the US, now we have an army of BPO accountants and none of them know what they’re doing and things take longer than ever. Outsourcing doesn’t work. It’s not even clear it costs less when you factor in the decline in quality, delays, and extra work needed by everyone else to monitor the outsourced work. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
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#17A better headline would have been, “Tech industry uses scare tactics to try and force people back into the office”. Been there, done that. If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced. Do you really think they were sitting around saying,”I know they cost more but I’m too busy playing golf to bother” and they’re only getting around to it now?
I think they were sitting around saying "The outsourcing of the 1990s failed because of poor communication; there's no replacement for regular face-to-face meetings"
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#18H1B visas are a lottery with Many don't realize how bad its gotten lately on the immigration front. Last year, USCIS wasted 160K green cards, this year they are on track to waste 200K green cards, simply because they are too slow to process paperwork. Companies are probably tired of all this uncertainty and legal overhead so they now offer relocation to their offices outside US if you have visa problems and to have e…
Also, if you (as an employer) don't bother with the US immigration system, you don't have to pay US-competitive salaries as that system requires.
Sure, FAANG companies may be too rich to care, but they're also probably a small fraction of US tech employment.
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#19A better headline would have been, “Tech industry uses scare tactics to try and force people back into the office”. Been there, done that. If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced. Do you really think they were sitting around saying,”I know they cost more but I’m too busy playing golf to bother” and they’re only getting around to it now?
Actually yes I do. Feel very strongly that the tech work from home movement is shining a light on something they don’t want a light shined on. They should be vehemently making cases that teams need to be in offices together and that “face to face is best” to keep their jobs in their citadel.
Or maybe it’s enough to have people in the same time zone working the same hours and communicating using technology.
There is a big difference between questions being answered right away and questions being answered overnight that one still has to consider for outsourcing.
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#20'Tech industry' has offices in India, China, Canada already to exploit the cheaper labor directly.
India, Canada, and (especially) China also have their own 'tech industries,' which are able to hire talent locally without dealing with the headaches of having an international team.