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Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by makach »

gabereiser wrote: post #14
UweSchmidt wrote: post #2

Anyone on here plays this game? Is it worth it? Dropping everything in life for that one perfect game will always be a temptation... ;)

I played it from launch until around 2010 or so. Is it worth it? No. Is there a good alternative? No. EVE Online always had an element of spreadsheets to it. It was designed that way. The original game design was done inside excel. Personally I find it fascinating that CCP didn’t build their own spreadsheet functionality into the game considering how many players used spreadsheets to calculate mining yield returns, i…

hear hear.

In reality the game is more an economics simulator where war is the instrument that engages with your numbers.

Stopped playing when the game became P2W, I miss it probably the same way a nicotine addict miss the cigarette.

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by makach »

zdkl wrote: post #6
UweSchmidt wrote: post #2

Anyone on here plays this game? Is it worth it? Dropping everything in life for that one perfect game will always be a temptation... ;)

It was beautiful. I played probably 8-10k hours across three characters and 8 years. So not that much ;) The world used to be much harder to get into, requiring a ton of RW time, RW skill and grinding to really progress. Then each seperate workflow (PvP, PvE, industry, extraction, scanning, ...) became safer as well as easier to grok and master as a single user. Then there was somewhat of an eternal september amongst…

if you ever want to try virtual heroin, this game would be it.

fortunately CCP managed to ruin it with P2W so I was able to stop my addiction.

it was one of the best games out there ,imo.

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by rexreed »

Recursing wrote: post #27
jereees wrote: post #16

A much better title: Eve Online strategy game announces JavaScript API to export user data. The current title is misleading and clickbaity. There’s no Excel features inside the game, heck it’s not even a CSV API.

At 2:06:29 In the video https://youtu.be/ri6eTeCBUww?t=7586 they mention "With Microsoft we're building an extension that will allow players to log in and pull data directly into Excel"

Or into any other app that can accept data in the JSON format. The title of the article is a disingenuous jab. Exporting fine-grained data from a game that you can use for your own statistics, not locked into a single-purpose application with restricted abilities is powerful. Use Excel or build your own analytics, it's up to you.

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by yourusername »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #2

Anyone on here plays this game? Is it worth it? Dropping everything in life for that one perfect game will always be a temptation... ;)

The best thing about eve is reading the stories about the politics and intrigue in the game that come out every few years. Participating from a grunt level is more a 5 hour standoff with a enemy fleet that refuses to fully commit or running spreadsheets to see what commodity you need to haul from where to where as a space trucker or where you need to set up your manufacturing base and where you need to buy your minerals.

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by wlesieutre »

jereees wrote: post #16

A much better title: Eve Online strategy game announces JavaScript API to export user data. The current title is misleading and clickbaity. There’s no Excel features inside the game, heck it’s not even a CSV API.

What makes Excel's Javascript API Excel specific is their schema for providing type information with the data. Such as:

  const myDate = {
    type: Excel.CellValueType.formattedNumber,
    basicValue: 32889.0,
    numberFormat: "m/d/yyyy"
  };
That's more Excel focused than a CSV export would be. I don't see any specifics about the API implementation but they may be using this in the provided JSON data. Maybe those average ISK prices for commodities are provided with more decimal digits, but with formatting to display two digits, etc.

Excel add-ins and data types: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/microsoft365dev/ignite-2021-e...

EVE Online and Data Type APIs: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/excel-blog/data-types...

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by ladyattis »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #2

Anyone on here plays this game? Is it worth it? Dropping everything in life for that one perfect game will always be a temptation... ;)

Not really, eventually you either turn into a carebear (highsec or nullsec aka nullbear) or you wind up pulling odd hours to cover vulnerable systems until their invul status returns. And the rare time you get into a huge fleet battle you're basically pressing buttons when your fleet commander says so and there's little to see since it'll be in time dilation if it's a sizable fleet battle.

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by gabereiser »

makach wrote: post #31
gabereiser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played it from launch until around 2010 or so. Is it worth it? No. Is there a good alternative? No. EVE Online always had an element of spreadsheets to it. It was designed that way. The original game design was done inside excel. Personally I find it fascinating that CCP didn’t build their own spreadsheet functionality into the game considering how many players used spreadsheets to calculate mining yield returns, i…

hear hear. In reality the game is more an economics simulator where war is the instrument that engages with your numbers. Stopped playing when the game became P2W, I miss it probably the same way a nicotine addict miss the cigarette.

>I miss it probably the same way a nicotine addict miss the cigarette.

I tried to describe what it's like to be so involved in a game and then not. This analogy is perfect!

Re: Eve Online fans cheer Microsoft Excel features at annual Fanfest

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Post by vsareto »

hutzlibu wrote: post #11
trelliscoded wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absolutely worth it for the people you’ll meet playing the game. I’m in Iceland right now for the annual player meeting and it’s been a blast. Many alliances have internal tools which interface with the game and external crowdsourced market data, and it’s common knowledge that those tools are better than real world logistics software, so working on them is a great way to learn how to build relevant products.

" and it’s common knowledge that those tools are better than real world logistics software" I don't know if this is true, but it would tell a lot about this world we are living in.

>I don't know if this is true, but it would tell a lot about this world we are living in.

The real world is generally a lot messier than EVE data, but it's definitely true.

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