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Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by Tichy »

waleedka wrote: post #7
lupin_sansei wrote: post #4

I use the new one in the Google Toolbar as it's a single button press (star) to add it. No dialogs or anything. I can't be bothered with tagging or confirmation dialogs. I just want to press a single button and have the browser remember it. http://www.google.com/support/firefox/bin/static.py?page=features.html&v=3

Thanks. So, I understand the convenience of the one click, but how do you organize your bookmarks? Isn't it hard to find things when you it's a long list? Especially if you have many bookmarks?

Now you mention it, I am not a big fan of the "flat list" organizing principle, as popularized by iTunes. If you can think of anything to better organize bookmarks, you might be on to something. However, I also usually prefer to keep them on my local computer and not to share them with the world.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by waleedka »

lupin_sansei wrote: post #8
waleedka wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. So, I understand the convenience of the one click, but how do you organize your bookmarks? Isn't it hard to find things when you it's a long list? Especially if you have many bookmarks?

I use my bookmarks as a "read later" list. So I remove them once I have read them. By the way Google does let you also tag (label) the bookmark. It's just that you have to press a different button to do that. Supporting both methods like Google does would work pretty well.

I thought I was the only one who uses the bookmarks for things to "read later".

Yes, Google let's you label the bookmarks. However, I was curious about the preference for a flat list that some people seem to like. Would a bookmarking site that doesn't have tags nor folders be something that people would like to use?

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by steve »

Tichy wrote: post #11
waleedka wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. So, I understand the convenience of the one click, but how do you organize your bookmarks? Isn't it hard to find things when you it's a long list? Especially if you have many bookmarks?

Now you mention it, I am not a big fan of the "flat list" organizing principle, as popularized by iTunes. If you can think of anything to better organize bookmarks, you might be on to something. However, I also usually prefer to keep them on my local computer and not to share them with the world.

database tables are a flat list, but that doesn't mean that the they aren't organized. I usually search my flat list of bookmarks chronologically and by searching for some keywords.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by Tichy »

steve wrote: post #13
Tichy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you mention it, I am not a big fan of the "flat list" organizing principle, as popularized by iTunes. If you can think of anything to better organize bookmarks, you might be on to something. However, I also usually prefer to keep them on my local computer and not to share them with the world.

database tables are a flat list, but that doesn't mean that the they aren't organized. I usually search my flat list of bookmarks chronologically and by searching for some keywords.

I guess you could map the whole universe to a flat list, that wasn't my point ;-)

With iTunes or thousands of bookmarks, I find that I can't "stumble upon" things anymore - I have to know what I am looking for, so that I can search it. I used to have my music simply organized in folders, and it was so much easier to browse (and still searchable).

Of course the iTunes style allows for new ways of stumbling across music, like "all songs that beginn with the Letter A", but I prefer the "old way" so far.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by youngnh »

willarson wrote: post #5

I don't use social bookmarking, it has never appealed to me. Browser based bookmarking has always been sufficient for me, and I don't spend much time "browsing" the internet, I am typically trying to find something specific, so a general search engine is usually sufficient for me. Some features that might make me more likely to use social bookmarking: OpenID accounts, really simple and good search, RSS for tags (no d…

I'll second the syncing across browsers. What I read and search for at work is drastically different from what I read and search for at home so I've ended up with two distinct sets of 'marks and my del.icio.us account is chaotic beyond hope of simplifying the problem.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by ragav »

waleedka wrote: post #2

Most people I talk to (outside of the Web2.0 crowd) have never even heard of social bookmarking, so I think there is a great opportunity here waiting to be discovered. I want to hear from you guys what you like and dislike about what's available today. Especially from those of you who don't use an online bookmarking web site. Why don't you?

Are your interests in social bookmarking (a la delicious/clipmarks..) or social annotation (diigo/fleck/stickis/trailfire ...) ?

The scene is pretty crowded and traction will be very difficult unless you have significant differentiator.

Based on my prior experience getting friends/family to use a social bookmarking service , most folks don't use any because organizing bookmarks never gets elevated to problem from a mere inconvenience. They have to shown thats it's really really easy before they become converts. Your trick is going to be how to reach this audience.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by ragav »

waleedka wrote: post #2

Most people I talk to (outside of the Web2.0 crowd) have never even heard of social bookmarking, so I think there is a great opportunity here waiting to be discovered. I want to hear from you guys what you like and dislike about what's available today. Especially from those of you who don't use an online bookmarking web site. Why don't you?

Oh and to add .. perhaps this is the wrong crowd for market research.

I usually go down to the local starbucks (I've even sat outside a large grocery store) to ask my market research questions. It's funny the perspective you gather from non tech folks.

Re: YCNewsers: Help me create better online bookmarking

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Post by waleedka »

ragav wrote: post #16
waleedka wrote: post #2

Most people I talk to (outside of the Web2.0 crowd) have never even heard of social bookmarking, so I think there is a great opportunity here waiting to be discovered. I want to hear from you guys what you like and dislike about what's available today. Especially from those of you who don't use an online bookmarking web site. Why don't you?

Are your interests in social bookmarking (a la delicious/clipmarks..) or social annotation (diigo/fleck/stickis/trailfire ...) ? The scene is pretty crowded and traction will be very difficult unless you have significant differentiator. Based on my prior experience getting friends/family to use a social bookmarking service , most folks don't use any because organizing bookmarks never gets elevated to problem from a m…

That's exactly my problem, and that's why I'm searching for new ideas. The market seems large and waiting for something new to unlock it. After all, almost everyone keeps bookmarks one way or the other, and most people use more than one computer, so they would need to sync them somehow. And, of course, we'll need a viral hook to help with the marketing.
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