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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when leaving phone at home shouldn't be normal

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Post by ativzzz »

thenerdhead wrote: post #360
ativzzz wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do counter yourself there by telling them to think for themselves and then pick up a book. Reading a book is the opposite of thinking for yourself

I think better inputs (books)mean better outputs (thoughts). Most people understood what I meant.

It might be easier to consume worse inputs on the internet, but I don't necessarily agree that books are superior to the internet in terms of input that can translate to better outputs. There are plenty of internet resources that are fantastic for learning. There are also plenty of garbage books that produce garbage inputs or are just mindless entertainment

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Post by frooxie »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #201
ericlewis wrote: post #144

I’ll read the article but I’ll admit that my first reaction to this was… do they know how folks use their phone? My phone is my entire wallet now, in every way. Wether flying the country (boarding passes, I have clear), or purchasing something (I nearly exclusively use Apple Pay) I’ve long left behind needing to carry a proper wallet. I do make sure to carry a couple of $20s just in case there is some oddball reason…

What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

I didn't know that there were countries that required that. Can you give me a few examples?

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Post by mrexroad »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #149
sysadm1n wrote: post #11

Well not that I live in a bad neighborhood or anything like that, but you really don't know what could happen at any given moment, and need to phone emergency services. This is not paranoia (well maybe it is), but paranoia doesn't work retroactively, you have to be proactively paranoid. If you're concerned about privacy buy one of those cheap Nokia dumbphones that old people use. Keep your smartphone at home, and swa…

What do you imagine people 30 years ago did, during a time when crime was a lot worse?

There used to be quite a few pay-phones…

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Post by antisthenes »

panaffa wrote: post #72

I'm part of the new generation and I think the opposite. I am obsessed with my phone and the Internet. And I don't think it's bad. It's extremely stimulating in a way real life is orders of magnitude worse at. Point of reference, born around 2000. There's no going back for me. I want my phone at all times to have access to billions of possible thoughts, pictures, memes. It's literally a god like power.

> I want my phone at all times to have access to billions of possible thoughts, pictures, memes. It's literally a god like power.

Race to the bottom of the garbage pile.

Don't worry, you'll get bored of it just like the rest of us who hit 30. Except we did it with desktops/laptops and not mobile phones.

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Post by strngeattractor »

Posts on this specific topic should raise our curiosity in more active ways than just the technologists vs luddites talking points it usually devolves into. First, we should admit that we dont actually know what the effects of this technology is on our minds and how it shapes the way we perceive. There are niche fields of academia such as Media studies, specifically, Media ecology, that study these subjects. That being said, we should experiment, find out, by taking a break from your device(s) of choice for some set amount of time, and observe how your mind reacts. This will be varying degrees of absurd based on your location. If you work in tech and live in sfba for example, its likely not even conceivable let alone feasible. The takeaway, for both people who agree with the OPs insight or for those who think the point is overblown or out of context, being that it is our own responsibility to understand the effects of our environment.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

Chilko wrote: post #241
AdrianB1 wrote: post #201

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What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

New Zealand for one. You don't need to carry an ID at all times, only if you're driving do you need your driver's license. However, if you're detained by the police you are required to identify yourself, but this does not need involve your physical ID. Is it really common in other countries that you legally need your ID on you at all times?

Former Communist states in Eastern Europe: it is very common. If you don't have it on you, you get fined and you can be detained, transported and held at a police station until your identity is confirmed, but this part does not happen very often.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

frooxie wrote: post #372
AdrianB1 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country does not require you to carry an id at all times where outside your house? Most countries do and most don't even accept alternate id's like driver's license.

I didn't know that there were countries that required that. Can you give me a few examples?

Most of Eastern Europe, including EU countries. Romania is the one that I know the laws best, police can stop you without any reason and detain you for identification if you don't have an ID on you (and fine you for that).

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Post by PeterisP »

Crabber wrote: post #370
PeterisP wrote: post #327

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Thing is, there's no symmetry here. If some people genuinely have problems and some genuinely don't, then only common conclusion is that the problems do exist (for some) and so solutions to them are required, so the experiences of the people who had problems can't be trivialized (because that experience is relevant for solving the problem even if they're in the minority) and the experiences of the people who didn't h…

>If some people genuinely have problems and some genuinely don't You only gather data to reach that conclusion by letting both sides talk about their experiences, not by telling one side "you're rude, shut up and listen more".

No, the conclusion that some people genuinely have problems can be reached without listening to the experiences of those who don't have problems, the testimony of the people with problems is fully sufficient for that conclusion.

As I explained above, even if some people genuinely don't have those problems, that is simply irrelevant if others do have them.

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Post by elzbardico »

delusional wrote: post #271
dale_glass wrote: post #155

Personally I find modern technology to be very liberating. When I was a child, even going around my own city was a stressful thing. What if I get lost? What if I run out of money for the train? How do I know I got the bus in the right direction? (the darn things didn't announce stops at all). The first times I traveled involved printing a stack of papers including names, addresses, and maps. Getting to a hotel in a c…

I want to just dive into a little bit of a tangent. It's interesting to me that you're liberated by having access to everything all the time. Personally I find it pretty constraining. It makes me feel like there's nothing to discover, no mystery, no journey. If I wanted to find the best restaurant, I wouldn't have to go out and explore the local options or discuss it with friends. The more efficient and correct way w…

I frequently eschew the usage of google maps when traveling after the initial, stressful arrival in a new place. Just because you have the power of google maps at your fingertips all the time, it doesn’t mean you need to use it all the time. And no, it doesn’t demand an explanation to do so. It is your friggin life, live it as you wish, you owe us nothing.

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Post by elzbardico »

julianlam wrote: post #333
noobermin wrote: post #316

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Also, believe it or not, maps or apps lie. Just two days ago, I passed by a CVS that was listed as still open on google maps whereas it had already been closed. On the exploration aspect, I'm really amazed that people really trust online reviews when restaurants clearly try to mess with the process or angry customers try to tank places they've had one-off bad experiences with. I take reviews as just another piece of…

Restaurant ratings are also a poor signal precisely because they're all relative to the restaurant type. You can't honestly say a 4.9 star McDonald's is better than a Michelin star restaurant with a rating of 4.8, but it could (and probably does) happen. In my city, ratings for Chinese restaurants almost inversely correlate with quality. The real quality Chinese restaurants have amazing food but absolutely shite serv…

I find the same with Netflix. Some absolute gems have terrible scores because it is not the usual stuff people watch on tv
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