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NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

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You and I have different definitions of "billionaire".

Consistently having trouble identifying sarcasm in print—without the "help" of idiotic illiterate marks like "/s"—is one of the signs of autism (http://www.healthcentral.com/autism/c/1443/162610/autism-sar...>).

Re: NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

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> The young should not pay for the healthcare of the elderly. Why?

I think funding the elderly is a lofty goal, but I don't see a good intellectual argument for FORCING our children to pay for our healthcare. You shouldn't view your child (nor your neighbor's child) as your own personal piggy-bank to extract from when you get ill. IMO our goal should be to hand down resources from parent to child, not the opposite direction. If I made this story a bit more personal and wrote ("I am…

What alternative do you propose? Suicide booths?

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Coming from a country that has this, there should be caution: it gets more affordable, but you get what you pay for. In my country of origin, you get a partially-paid-for ride to the emergency room, where you pay for things like casts, non-ward rooms, dental care out of pocket. There is no prescription coverage. There is no optometry coverage. I would wait significant chunks of a year for procedures and diagnostics.…

> If NY does this, the near zero chance of my moving there ever would go to absolute 0. Are they proposing kicking you off your insurance? From the bill: > SUMMARY OF SPECIFIC PROVISIONS: Every New York resident will be eligible to enroll, regardless of age, income, wealth, employment, or other status. There would be no network restrictions, deductibles, or co-pays. Coverage would be publicly funded. The benefits wil…

I read through the bill and there are no specifics written on how the entire thing is supposed to be funded, other than saying that payroll taxes will be increased to fund it. My guess is that once the numbers come out on how much tax would have to be paid that this bill would be dead.

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You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc

You can't just assume tax increases directly lead to increased 1:1 consumer prices, that's not how supply and demand works.

Where did I assume that?

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That's 60% marginal rates. Last year I paid 17% of my total income in taxes.

You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc

The renter is not paying the property taxes. The landlord is. This feels like a slight of hand that leads to double counting.

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You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc

NY has low property taxes compared to most no-income-tax states

Where is that?

My parents lived in North County and paid 13k+ a year on a $350k house. Their current place in Tampa is about 400k and the taxes are less than half of what they were in NY. Maybe Florida is a special case?

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I’m a Canadian living and working in the US and I’d take the Canadian system any day of the week. I think it’s crazy that your access to healthcare is dependent on your employment.

But it's also crazy that your access to healthcare is based on how the government prioritizes your need of it. I agree with the idea of public healthcare, but not as a legislated monopoly. And that's true for government services generally. Monopolies don't benefit anyone except the monopolist, and competition makes everyone stronger. If the government wants to use it's buying and borrowing power (and maybe even taxat…

> But it's also crazy that your access to healthcare is based on how the government prioritizes your need of it.

Triage is a pretty universal concept.

Healthcare has difficulty with competitive market effects because the amount anyone is willing to pay to live is essentially infinite.

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One thing I don't understand is how you can make healthcare "equal" in the sense that it will stand up to court challenges in the U.S. Free speech is a self-service right, so the government can just step out of the way and everything is fine. But healthcare requires the government to do a lot. Not doing something equally (like stepping out of the way of free speech) is easier than doing something (like healthcare) eq…

The SC is trying its best to devolve all powers to the states. They can't have it one way for a contentious issue and then be hypocrites for anything else.

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Rent is not tax, what an absurd comment.

If you're renting, your landlord is paying property tax and passing it on to you.

By that logic, no one pays taxes except consumers.

Re: NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

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OP sounds to be arguing the opposite. One lives in a low tax state while earning money / paying taxes, then retires to a rural part of NY / CA to receive tax-payer-backed benefits without paying for them.

Having a bunch of (medicare-covered) retirees (with no school-age kids) spending their (taxable) social security income in NY / CA sounds pretty great. Much better than losing them to Florida or Arizona. Bonus if the states get to tax their estates in the end.

The fact that they are Medicare covered means the retirees will choose to retire in lower tax jurisdictions. They do not need state governments to provide healthcare.
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