NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

Post by Teknoman117 » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:43 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #92

goatcode wrote: post #46

Coming from a country that has this, there should be caution: it gets more affordable, but you get what you pay for. In my country of origin, you get a partially-paid-for ride to the emergency room, where you pay for things like casts, non-ward rooms, dental care out of pocket. There is no prescription coverage. There is no optometry coverage. I would wait significant chunks of a year for procedures and diagnostics.…

I come from a country with universal healthcare too, and my experience is the opposite. Yes, to this day, it doesn’t cover dental or vision, which is BS if you ask me, and there is some co-pay for certain prescriptions; regardless, it is a fantastic system, and I miss it so much every time I need to go to the doctor here in the US. The main reason is uncertainty: in the US, I can never know how much something is goin…

Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:44 PM UTC

hersko wrote: post #146

zjaffee wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY should pay for single payer in part by raising real estate taxes, it's the only clear way the state has to avoid capital flight in the way you're describing here. This said, a big thing NY benefits from is that a lot of people work in NY state temporarily as consultants in addition to the bridge and tunnel crowd that come in from NJ and CT, this gives them a much larger tax base than the population living there br…

I live in NY and pay >$18k a year in property tax for a small house. Real estate taxes are high enough.

Post by notreallyserio » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:45 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #69

goatcode wrote: post #46

Coming from a country that has this, there should be caution: it gets more affordable, but you get what you pay for. In my country of origin, you get a partially-paid-for ride to the emergency room, where you pay for things like casts, non-ward rooms, dental care out of pocket. There is no prescription coverage. There is no optometry coverage. I would wait significant chunks of a year for procedures and diagnostics.…

For your first paragraph, I’ve seen that alot. My european friends from big economies there brag about their insurance coverage, some working in the states with some global coverage plan, and as soon as I ask about something seemingly basic: “oh thats elective or cosmetic, why would that be covered” I think there is a way to make it work with American expectations, American resources, no equivalent tax burden.

Post by kbenson » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:46 PM UTC

lettergram wrote: post #33

ldayley wrote: post #4

With California and New York both exploring statewide single payer healthcare it looks like the Overton window is moving closer to legitimate discussion of a nationwide single payer plan in the US. It’ll be interesting to watch, since this is such a hot-button topic here on many levels.

Why would you want it nation wide? Even if you “support it”, I’d much rather watch the implications from the various experiments across states. Then we can select the best option. Personally, I’d like to see some states ban healthcare outright. Others have full coverage and everything in between. Then wait 10 years and we can see the results. I strongly suspect there would be states willing to do this.

Post by thallium205 » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

ParksNet wrote: post #108

50% of health resources are used in the final 5 years of life. The young should not pay for the healthcare of the elderly. Society should be apportioned into different age categories, and funded separately, with a 'base' tier for all citizens and legal residents, and a higher tier for those with private or employer insurance.