NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:36 PM UTC

ldayley wrote: post #4

With California and New York both exploring statewide single payer healthcare it looks like the Overton window is moving closer to legitimate discussion of a nationwide single payer plan in the US. It’ll be interesting to watch, since this is such a hot-button topic here on many levels.

Post by version_five » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:36 PM UTC

speed_spread wrote: post #110

version_five wrote: post #74

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Would healthcare overall in e.g New York be equivalent though? In Canada, we have "free" healthcare but literally have no other option so it's the Soviet style mess you'd expect a government monopoly to be. But would this bar paid healthcare? Couldn't people still have health insurance and get private care? Is there something preventing that?

You're not supposed to be able to get private healthcare in Canada, but actually there are plenty of fancy clinics that will fix you up on the spot if you have money. It's all hush-hush because those in power are the primary users of that parallel system. It's not a criminal underground but an unregulated mezzanine, yes? Also, in my experience, public healthcare _can_ be quite good, but the quality of service varies…

Post by hersko » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:37 PM UTC

zjaffee wrote: post #73

aserdf wrote: post #30

it will be interesting to watch NY (and/or CA) put something like this in place and observe from afar. i strongly feel that states should be much more aggressive running policy experiments if their constituents desire them, and at the national level we all get some benefit of seeing how things turn out in real time. all that said, assuming there is some tangible tax increase, NYC high earners are going to be knocking…

NY should pay for single payer in part by raising real estate taxes, it's the only clear way the state has to avoid capital flight in the way you're describing here. This said, a big thing NY benefits from is that a lot of people work in NY state temporarily as consultants in addition to the bridge and tunnel crowd that come in from NJ and CT, this gives them a much larger tax base than the population living there br…

Post by timtom39 » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:38 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #101

debacle wrote: post #75

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New York is losing population at a breakneck pace. Our government is to blame. I am for single payer to some extent, but if done poorly medical staff (who are already leaving due to pandemic policies) will just pick up and leave. We recently expanded the privileges of nurse practitioners which is great, but two large nursing unions are less than 60 days away from striking.

Citation needed. Every population graph I can find show a small decline over the last few years but it's still above 2000 and they've had population dips before (1970-1980) that then recovered. This comment reads like my in-laws who always talk about how "people can't get out of CA fast enough", um the population numbers say otherwise.

Post by countvonbalzac » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:39 PM UTC

revnode wrote: post #149

beebmam wrote: post #96

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That's 60% marginal rates. Last year I paid 17% of my total income in taxes.

You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc