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Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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If someone hands me a stack of papers to read and half of the pages are upside down, I consider orienting the pages so they all have the text right-side-up to be part of reading it. I understand Adobe doesn't have hardware sales to prop up their software but I think it's pretty unreasonable to charge $15/month to rotate pages within a document. They do let you fill in forms and comment in the free version, even thoug…

Yeah, I'm not going to argue about that particular feature -- I mean Adobe Reader does allow you to rotate the page display for viewing purposes, just not in the way you'd prefer -- but the broader perspective is that Adobe roughly differentiates between authoring a document and using a document -- authoring is what costs money. Form fill-in is not authoring, and under the hood it's actually more similar to commentin…

So my real problem here is the disconnect between Adobe's "rotate view clockwise" being a document-wide operation, and the fact that actual PDF documents don't have consistent page orientation throughout.

It's usually that all of the pages are consistently oriented as portrait, but some of them actually have landscape content.

The incorrect portrait page orientation was probably done on purpose to keep printers from screwing it up, and rotating a piece of paper to look at it barely requires a thought. No big deal if you're printing it.

But the ease of looking at a single page sideways and then going back to the original rotation doesn't map to reading it on a computer screen with document-wide rotate commands, and they really should've sucked it up and let me fix individual pages. Even if it's a temporary "view" change and not something I can save back to the file.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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What do you not like about the existing dialog?

Navigating is a pain. eg you cannot navigate to any "hidden" directories and cannot you type paths in the "address bar" nor the file name input selector. There's a few other little annoyances but I can't recall them right now (currently awaiting delivery of a new MacBook Pro so I'm back to running Linux for the time being). The dialogue annoys me enough that I've just gotten into the habit of opening everything from…

You can just start typing to go to a folder. E.G. type "/tmp↵" will move the panel to that directory

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Navigating is a pain. eg you cannot navigate to any "hidden" directories and cannot you type paths in the "address bar" nor the file name input selector. There's a few other little annoyances but I can't recall them right now (currently awaiting delivery of a new MacBook Pro so I'm back to running Linux for the time being). The dialogue annoys me enough that I've just gotten into the habit of opening everything from…

- Cmd-Shift-G opens a fuzzy complete path input - “Show hidden files” is a preference you can change. Once you’re comfortable with the CLI and know the paths you care about for a task, in what cases do you prefer a GUI open dialog on other systems?

> Cmd-Shift-G opens a fuzzy complete path input

The problem is that's not going to be an easy thing to remember. It's not an obvious hotkey and nor is it even memorable that the hotkey even exists. There's no UI hints that it does. And when you use hundreds of different pieces of software every day, from CLI tools to complicated desktop applications, there's no way anyone can remember every single hotkey and flag for them. This is why tools like fzf and sophisticated shell auto-completion exist. They've at least recognised that this stuff needs to be discoverable somehow.

In fact that is my biggest annoyance with Apple's UIs. There's so much hidden functionality that is almost impossible to discover (and a lot of it is incredibly easy to forget again too). For example I was using an iPhone for years before I discovered you could move the caret by long pressing on the space bar. Before then I was cursing how much easier it was to edit text in Android because I just assumed there wasn't a precise way to move the caret in iOS. I felt like such an idiot that it took an internet meme to teach me to use my phone...but then I remember that it shouldn't have taken a meme to make people aware that feature existed.

> "Show hidden files” is a preference you can change.

I don't want to change a preference. I want to be able to view hidden files on demand. Most of the time hidden files are better off hidden. That's actually an example of sensible defaults. However it's also useful to be able to toggle them on from the open dialogue when needed.

> Once you’re comfortable with the CLI and know the paths you care about for a task, in what cases do you prefer a GUI open dialog on other systems?

It's the other way around, I grew up on text only systems and had to learn to adapt to GUIs. I still struggle with them even now (which is why I hate it when you're expected to stumble upon functionality by chance).

As for when I prefer to use the GUI open dialogue? It's when I'm already using the GUI for something. Like emails, spreadsheets, word processing. Boring stuff we all wish we didn't have to do but cannot escape completely. I'd rather not have to context switch away from the GUI and back into iTerm just to open a file.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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I love preview, but it has bugged comments/annotations in PDFs, which cost my like 1h of work last week, so, yeah, don't use it for that.

It has some even more fundamental bugs with PDF. Concatenating transformation matrices with negative scaling (i.e to flip the coordinate system you're drawing in) is completely broken in Preview and Safari. It's completely conformant according to the PDF standard.

Obviously prints fine and chrome/firefox or Windows don't have any issues with it. Obviously Adobe has no issue with it.

But here it is staying broken for years, because you can't explain to mac users that Apple is the one that made the mistake if they preview things your tool generates and they look broken. So devs just "fix" their PDFs to be bug compatible with Apples version.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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> Another tiny macOS feature I love is that you can drop a file icon on any Open or Save dialog to select the file in the dialog. On other OSs, this moves the file to the directory shown in the dialog, or does nothing. The reason other OS's don't support that macOS feature is because their open and save dialogue is usable on its own. In my opinion the open and save dialogue is one of the worst designed interfaces on…

The macOS open/save dialog is almost identical to the Finder UI, what would you change about it? The reason it's helpful to be able to drag a file from somewhere else into the open/save dialog is that you often already have the file open somewhere. A common workflow: navigate to a document in finder, edit it in some app, save it, upload it to a web form. Similarly if you have a path to the file handy somewhere, you c…

I almost never have Finder open. I usually think "I want to create a spreadsheet" so I'll open Excel and then look for the document. Or I'll be doing some dev work so I'll navigate there in the terminal and then open code via `code .`

I think some of that habit might have stemmed from the fact that I don't like Finder much. I don't like the hotkeys (eg [ENTER] to rename), I don't like it's layout. As much as I disliked Microsoft's "lets turn explorer.exe into Internet Explorer", the editable address bar is actually really nice (you can see precisely where you are and quickly change it to where you want to be).

I'd say Dolphin (KDE) is probably the perfect file manager for me. It's got a terminal baked in (which automatically changes directories when you navigate in the GUI) so you can mix and match GUI and CLI operations. You can add tabs so your file manager can be used as a session (eg if you're working in multiple directories for a specific task or project, you can have one file manager instance open for that task but different tabs per directory). There's so much I love about it. But it's also the polar opposite of Finder, which might explain why I don't like Finder much.

I do completely agree with you about Gnome though.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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I love Preview. It was one of the reasons I switched to Mac back in 2010.

Another fun feature since we’re all sharing. This works across many native apps. Hold Option and drag to select a block of text. Handy for pulling numbers from a table.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Sort Downloads by Kind. Select the group of photos. Double click. They will all be opened in one Preview window and you can scroll through all the photos. Or, select the first, touch the space bar and you will see the Quick Look preview. Use the arrow keys to move between the different files. Not really seeing the messssss, but to each their own I guess.

Not an option, i have list, and by date. Tons of files. No proper viewer

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Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Still don't know how to preview all photos in for example "downloads" Osx UX is a messsssss

Use Quick Look. Simply press Space to instantly preview almost any file you’ve highlighted in Finder. You can use the arrow keys to move to the next file in the finder window below. For multiple files selected you get a film strip in Quick Look.

Lots of extra options are surfaced in MacOS when Option is held. Press option while any menu is open and you’ll see new options. The context menu will show that quick look becomes full screen preview in this case. Lo and behold simply pressing Option Space will do the same thing.

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