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Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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I really enjoyed working with the Preview team before I retired from Apple. My small group created a private framework that added "document reconstruction" to PDF documents: basically an inferred DOM based on whatever information (mainly geometric) we could use in the PDF document. Our moment of fame game at WWDC 2009, when Bertrand Serlet talked about Snow Leopard during the Keynote. At around the 5:10 mark he talks…

Preview is one of the reasons I stick with Mac OS. I'm surprised how far behind other operating systems remain when it comes to viewing PDFs. Thank you!

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Hey, I just updated the website https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org (for reference, the old one: https://sumatra-website-preview.onrender.com/free-pdf-reader ). Does it look better? Maybe early 2000?

Looks great!

Thanks.

Also, in pre-release version I've added a feature that I'm super stoked about: a command palette https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/docs/Command-Palette

And fully customizable keyboard shortucts https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/docs/Customizing-keyboard-s...

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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> The reason other OS's don't support that macOS feature is because their open and save dialogue is usable on its own. In my opinion the open and save dialogue is one of the worst designed interfaces on macOS (and easily the worst open and save dialogue across all of the popular desktop environments). The fact that it's "killer feature" is having to use another file navigator to find the target and then drag that fil…

> It is not a browser, or a file manager. It is a file selector. But you're selecting the file in a file manager and then dragging it into your "file selector". That whole dialogue then becomes completely redundant because you might as well just drag that file into the application window without having to click "open". > I get bitten at least a couple of times a week on Windows when I stupidly drag and drop the file…

> But you're selecting the file in a file manager and then dragging it into your "file selector". That whole dialogue then becomes completely redundant because you might as well just drag that file into the application window without having to click "open".

Sometimes. Others the dialog is how you set things like the format of the file or some import options. Or you need a multiple selection and dropping a bunch of files just opens them separately. Sometimes you can input a regex and you just need to quickly go to the right directory. Sometimes you need to select a file to import it into another document and not open it. It is also damn convenient to just drop the folder where you want a new file to be in a “save as” dialog without having to navigate from dog knows where. There are plenty of use cases.

What is redundant is a file manager in an import dialog. There is a full blown file manager that’s always going to be better just a click away.

> If you drag the file into the text area it will work as you wish.

In theory, yes. In practice it’s hit and miss as developers don’t seem to care about using native widgets (that, and the fact that native widgets have vastly different capabilities on Windows thanks to years of cruft they cannot remove).

[edit] sorry if it sounded harsh; I have nothing against you. It’s just that the file selection dialogs are a particular pain point on Windows and Linux.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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One massive I'd add to this list that got added recently - being able to copy and paste text out of images. I'm so often sent a screenshot with a url in the url bar, I can now copy and paste that screenshot of a url. It's been massively the past month since I noticed it. Not sure how long it's been there, I assume not long, maybe last OS update.

To get this functionality everywhere, I’ve taken using the TRex app: https://github.com/amebalabs/TRex

I have it mapped to ctrl-alt-command-C. As more and more apps and webpages make text unselectable, it’s become invaluable. My favorite trick is to copy the URL when someone is screen sharing their browser in a virtual meeting!

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Question: Preview used to have automatic detection for "lines" and stuff so you could click on one and it'd create a text box for you to start typing, correctly sized and everything. For some reason this seems to no longer work for me. Has anyone else had success with this in the recent past?

I think form detection has to do with how the source PDF is saved, such as if the PDF is flattened. Also, this feature doesn't work with some other formats, like JPEGs. If it's not working, there is a text box tool in the markup toolbar.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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I haven't forgotten. I use it everyday. One issue is that it has gone for sizable lengths of time with frustrating unfixed bugs. For example, there was a period during which if I wanted to quickly peek at Nikon raw file with it, I'd have to wait a minute or more for it to load the file. A few years ago, it was pretty crashy viewing PDFs, one of its primary uses. It's better now, and I hope Apple continues to refocus on their classic levels of reliability. Preview for me really is an "Everyday Thing".

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Preview is one of those essential things that sets macOS apart from the other operating systems, and contributes to that “Mac has good UX” vibe. Last time I opened the Windows equivalent, it tried to sell me on Microsoft’s PDF-alike format… and asked me to connect Office365. Another tiny macOS feature I love is that you can drop a file icon on any Open or Save dialog to select the file in the dialog. On other OSs, th…

I adore the fact that I can sign PDFs so easily from the system-default viewer (and save my signature for next time)

Also love that I can do all the image-editing basics from the same app (enough to make memes anyway...)

Though it does concern me a bit that most of the best UX features in Apple software are older; usually the newer an Apple UI is, the worse it is. Control Center and such are pretty nice I guess, but Apple Music on macOS is terrible

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Preview is one of those essential things that sets macOS apart from the other operating systems, and contributes to that “Mac has good UX” vibe. Last time I opened the Windows equivalent, it tried to sell me on Microsoft’s PDF-alike format… and asked me to connect Office365. Another tiny macOS feature I love is that you can drop a file icon on any Open or Save dialog to select the file in the dialog. On other OSs, th…

> Another tiny macOS feature I love is that you can drop a file icon on any Open or Save dialog to select the file in the dialog. On other OSs, this moves the file to the directory shown in the dialog, or does nothing. The reason other OS's don't support that macOS feature is because their open and save dialogue is usable on its own. In my opinion the open and save dialogue is one of the worst designed interfaces on…

This is an interesting chicken-and-egg problem. It could be said that other OSs had to add lots of file management features to their file selector dialog because relying on drag-and-drop from another application was unfeasible.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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Well, Adobe Reader is a viewer, not an editor (that’s Adobe Acrobat). For light editing like rotating pages I’d recommend the free version of PDF-XChange Editor: https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-editor (Persistent rotation is on the “Organize” tab.) It’s easy for Apple because they don’t sell a competing product. Adobe has to balance providing a useful free viewer against a paid editor (or payed e…

If someone hands me a stack of papers to read and half of the pages are upside down, I consider orienting the pages so they all have the text right-side-up to be part of reading it. I understand Adobe doesn't have hardware sales to prop up their software but I think it's pretty unreasonable to charge $15/month to rotate pages within a document. They do let you fill in forms and comment in the free version, even thoug…

Yeah, I'm not going to argue about that particular feature -- I mean Adobe Reader does allow you to rotate the page display for viewing purposes, just not in the way you'd prefer -- but the broader perspective is that Adobe roughly differentiates between authoring a document and using a document -- authoring is what costs money. Form fill-in is not authoring, and under the hood it's actually more similar to commenting/highlighting (adding stuff "on top" of the normal page content), which are also reader/viewer functions.

Re: Preview, the Mac app people forget about

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I use many of these features often and it often blows my mind just how much better Preview is with PDFs than any other program. It's leaps ahead of anything Adobe's Acrobat spyware ever was and it comes with your OS right out of the box.

Apparently "Apple’s Core Graphics framework uses the PDF format for its internal vector graphics presentation." https://pspdfkit.com/blog/2020/apple-and-pdf-history/

Speaking as an iOS developer, we use PDF files to represent our vector icon assets in the app.

I thought it was a bit odd of a choice on the platform vs SVG which seems more popular (and which the Android devs on our team use), but CoreGraphics using it internally ties the whole picture together.

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